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fred_gomez
199 posts
Sep 04, 2013
10:25 AM
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sorry the rolling stones are hated by bikers i think garage harp is a better term. also a thread called jimmy page cant go on.
its been removed but there was a recording of early alice cooper playing "why dont you love me?" sorta like john lennon on please please me. 18 is in E minor on a C harp which would be 5th position. alice obvious knows how to play this nobody could play back then doesnt hold water.
when i started i had this jazz/rock drummer gf wed get drunk and id play little walter howling wolf and she hated it. id put on zepplin tea for one and shed be like "doesnt this sound more civilized?" and she wasnt the only one a singer i knew said sonny boty was shit and how mick jagger was so much better and could play 5 harps stacked up at once. id be blowing real blues on the beach and people would come up and say "sound like your calling out the coons" and "cant you play any dylan?" i mean wherever i went they wanted "bad harp" oh another guy i played with was mad i didnt shake my head because magic dick and the stones did. nobody ever liked open tuned guitar unless it was keith richards and everyone wanted crap harp. i dont get it you play garage harp you make money you play the real deal your on the street with foot drums.
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bloozefish
122 posts
Sep 04, 2013
2:15 PM
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Bikers hate the Stones?? Why?
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timeistight
1348 posts
Sep 04, 2013
2:48 PM
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Altamont?
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Leatherlips
218 posts
Sep 04, 2013
2:54 PM
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So what I think you are saying is that real harp players are not acknowledged and that ordinary ones are.
Well, welcome to musicians world. I know guitar players who would give Hendrix a run for his money, but they only get the occasional pub gig.
"Why is it so?" some ask.
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nacoran
7103 posts
Sep 04, 2013
6:40 PM
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I don't remember where I read it, but there was something some psychologists studied, maybe with MRI's and music, and they came away thinking that the brain looks for patterns, and it gets off on hearing and predicting patterns when they play out the way they expect so when someone plays something that sounds like what you are used to hearing, your brain says, groovy, I can dig it man. It doesn't matter if it's Mozart or Megadeth. Your brain tries to guess what is coming next, and when it gets it right, it gets excited. (The brain gets more set in it's ways as it gets older too. That's why kids will dance with almost whatever is playing.) So, if you hear Dylan a lot, you get used to Dylan. It sounds right to your brain and you like it. If you suddenly hear something you aren't used to, your brain throws down and says, screw it, I'm out of here. Of course, if you play it over and over to a captive audience, they start to get the hang of the game and start to like it (absent other stimuli- I can't stand Metallica because I always think of what jerks they are stealing other people's songs and then suing people for stealing copies of their stolen songs- I hate Lars.)
Anyway, social prejudices make people listen to just the 'acceptable' music, which means their brain only learns the patterns in the acceptable music, and avoids music that it doesn't find acceptable, which means they don't hang out in the same places as people who listen to that 'other' music and suddenly it's a self-reinforcing loop.
'Real' musicians tend to play more complicated pieces that are harder for 'average' listeners to figure out, so average listeners listen to 'average' music, or in the case of Dylan's harmonica, the sound reeds make when you grind them with a sander while playing them. :) (Although, I suppose, if I listened to him enough I might come around.)
I still don't 'get' jazz in my head. Most of the patterns are more complicated so I feel unsettled when I listen to it, like it's not doing what it's supposed to do.
For what it's worth, and I've said this before, some of my favorite songs are Dylan COVERS (you know, where someone else is singing and playing harmonica!)
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fred_gomez
200 posts
Sep 04, 2013
7:03 PM
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i like theilemans, stevie wonder, and traditional blues harp (mainly country blues). but the only sucessful bands i have been in were garbage harp bands (psychotic reaction/stones/dylan) i play by ear im self taught. i wanted to bring some chroms to a jam with some country blues players once,they said leave toot theilemans at home. i dunno ive always wanted to break laws and rules. ive never been a fan of dylan but it seems hes the godfather of this ongoing trend and possibly the godfather of garage and punk itself.
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