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different way to do flutter?
different way to do flutter?
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lowbender
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Aug 12, 2013
4:29 PM
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Like many aspiring harpers, the so-called flutter seems to cause me some trouble, especially building up speed when doing the piston-style jabs.
WE all know that warbles can be played either by moving the head from side to side, or the harmonica/hands.
My question is this: Why can't the piston/stabbing motion be accomplished, not by the tongue, but by moving the harmonica rapidly in and out while the tongue remains static?
Mind you, it looks a bit ridiculous, slightly like simulating spastic oral sex, but i find it works. SO has anyone thought of trying this? feel free to mock me!
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nacoran
7024 posts
Aug 12, 2013
6:31 PM
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There are a few different slightly different effects that produce similar results. Shimmer, flutter, warble, tremolo, tongue slaps, vibrato (throat, mouth, chest, armpit, big toe). You can block with your tongue or you lip, or whatever works, but you'll discover each way has slight advantages and tone differences. The more ways you can figure out how to do everything the more control you have.
Sometimes using your tongue in a new way is difficult because you think you are doing something entirely different- then suddenly you realize it's not so different at all. Instead of concentrating on exactly what your tongue is doing, try some different articulations. You You You You You on blow notes will sound very similar to a flutter, particularly if you are getting the harp deep in your mouth. It will work on draw notes too, but bring your brain around to it slowly so you don't think about it... it's like patting your head and rubbing your tummy at the same time- when you are doing it, you can't believe it was ever hard, but then, the next time you try it, it seems all weird and foreign.
Here's an old thread with some useful articulations:
Old Thread
Just don't say 'Tooka Tooka Tooka' three times while looking into a mirror, or you will summon Tooka. That's fine and all- he's a swell member- but there is no way to unsummon him except to buy him an airline ticket back to England. :)
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Last Edited by nacoran on Aug 12, 2013 6:34 PM
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SuperBee
1356 posts
Aug 12, 2013
9:35 PM
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He said 'swell member'
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SuperBee
1357 posts
Aug 12, 2013
9:39 PM
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Low bender, I guess that could kinda work, but it sounds a lot more complicated than just saying lalalalala while playing, which is what works for me. Actually I don't say it, I just think it.
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tookatooka
3437 posts
Aug 13, 2013
8:25 AM
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Someone mention my name? :)
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nacoran
7028 posts
Aug 13, 2013
9:41 AM
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Speak of the devil! :)
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lowbender
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Aug 13, 2013
11:11 AM
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thanks for the thoughtful response nacoran. And yes Superbee, lalalal works, but i just can't do it as fast as i can ram the harp against my tongue with the hands. Probably worth practicing, at the very least to avoid chipping a tooth! thanks guys.
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atty1chgo
684 posts
Aug 13, 2013
8:25 PM
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Don't want to start a new thread on this, since we are already on the topic.
The one that I seem to have the most trouble with is the soft flutter/warble. Not trouble, it's just tough to get the sound I want ALL the time, which is a low, soft, rounded sound and tone,
Like the one that Lee Oskar uses in the intro to Gypsy Man by the band War, posted below. It starts at 1:00 of the song, and he does three extended ones.
Great song too, the long version of Gypsy Man.
Last Edited by atty1chgo on Aug 13, 2013 8:29 PM
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