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Toots - is he using a diatonic?
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gad wagon
48 posts
May 27, 2013
3:25 PM
In Mr. Nashville, at about the 2:40 Toots comes in on harp. I assumed he was all Chromatic, but a few of the bends are very smooth, more like a diatonic, rather than a chromo. Also, at 3:38, it sounds like he has a quasi OB.

What do you guys think?




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http://www.youtube.com/user/gadwagon/videos
HawkeyeKane
1709 posts
May 27, 2013
3:31 PM
I'm sure Toots CAN play a diatonic if he needed to, but everything I've ever seen him do has been on a chro. Matter of fact, I caught a documentary once where he was interviewed, and when the subject of bends and overblows came up (Howard Levy in particular) he semi-jokingly said that players who use overblows tend to make him wanna smack them.
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Stevelegh
759 posts
May 27, 2013
3:32 PM
Interesting. Very interesting.... Sounds like a low harp.

I defer to learned people like Winslow on this, although Greg Heumann may be able to get a close to first hand commentary?
timeistight
1237 posts
May 27, 2013
3:35 PM
That video isn't available in Canada, but Toots did play diatonic on a few sessions in the '60s and "often played the hole 6 overblow," according to Pat Missin:
http://www.patmissin.com/ffaq/q40.html

Last Edited by timeistight on May 27, 2013 3:35 PM
The Iceman
886 posts
May 27, 2013
3:40 PM
Yes, it is diatonic.

Yes, it is an OB as suggested.
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The Iceman
Rhartt1234
85 posts
May 28, 2013
12:00 PM
Toots knows his way around 2nd position better than one might think. When you think about how sophisticated a chromatic player he is, his diantonic playing is entertainingly crude.

WinslowYerxa
307 posts
May 28, 2013
4:42 PM
Yup. Diatonic. Toots did play some diatonic in the 1960s and '70s, and played 6 overblows on records as early as 1968. (Possibly earlier; I remember once hearing a multi-LP version of the Quincy Jones soundtrack to the 1967 film In the Heat of the Night, which featured some diatonic with overblows. At the time I wasn't aware of the Quincy-Toots connection and wondered who it was. Tommy Morgan also played diatonic with Quincy, but never used overblows. It was probably Toots, but I've never verified that.)
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Winslow
harpdude61
1704 posts
May 29, 2013
10:38 AM
Overblow was flat and very weak. He popped it instead of playing it. To be honest I'm suprised one of the all time greats would use a technique he was not more proficient in.
The Iceman
888 posts
May 29, 2013
1:33 PM
Back in the BHL Days (before Howard Levy), OB's were popped out. No one considered it a real technique to develop.

Toots plays diatonic, but is not nearly as into it as we are on this forum.
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The Iceman
harpdude61
1705 posts
May 29, 2013
7:03 PM
Why did he even play it Iceman? He either practiced it enough to decide to intentionally play it or he burped and it just happened. He had to know it was the flat 3rd. Just does not make since to incorporate something so lacking in an otherwise great piece of music.
The Iceman
891 posts
May 29, 2013
7:50 PM
harpdude..

I don't know why he did even play it.

I suppose you could ask him. He's always been pretty approachable.
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The Iceman
WinslowYerxa
308 posts
May 29, 2013
8:46 PM
Also, he was probably using a stock Marine Band. During that time, they were not as airtight or as well set up as now, and overblows were not easy to produce, let alone push up to pitch.

Considering how little diatonic he played, I'm impressed at the level of bending control and sound he developed.
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Winslow
harpdude61
1706 posts
May 30, 2013
10:48 AM
I agree Winslow. He does great on diatonic. Just surprising that someone from his generation was even aware of OBs, especially considering it was not his main instrument. Most all the great diatonic players around his age never popped one while performing. A few exceptions. I understand about the old harp set-ups. I should say hats off to the man for having the guts to try it.
Why should I ask anyone anything Ice when I can ask you?
The Iceman
892 posts
May 30, 2013
2:47 PM
"Why should I ask anyone anything Ice when I can ask you?" queries harpdude.

I will consider this question as nice and innocent w/out any sticky residue attached....

Ask away if it has to do with harmonica technique, music theory, gourmet food production, Miles Davis or Herman Hesse books.

Don't ask me questions I can't answer.... i.e., getting into the head of someone else to determine his personal motivation.
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The Iceman


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