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Frank
2086 posts
Mar 20, 2013
8:47 AM
Does anyone know the ORIGIN of Harmonica TECHNIQUES? How they came about? What instruments, etc. were the catalyst behind inspiring harp players to develop the techniques on the harmonica for their bag of tricks?

Any Examples will be not only enlightening but very educational :)

Last Edited by Frank on Mar 20, 2013 8:57 AM
CarlA
302 posts
Mar 20, 2013
9:24 AM
I was thinking the exact same thing a couple of days ago!! I too would be very interested if anyone had the 411 on this topic.

-Carl
harpdude61
1650 posts
Mar 20, 2013
4:52 PM
Frank! I came up with throat bending a few weeks ago. Word is getting out. I'm also working on double stops with one of the holes overblow, double stops with both holes overblow, warbles with one of the holes overblow,warbles with both holes overblow,...same as previous 4 but with overdraws. Just between you and me Frank I have a couple harps that will play the chord 4,5,6, overblow...but I can't figure out where to use it. The double stops with one OB are coolest. You can bend it up and play a double stop, but with both holes playing the same pitch. In cross harp 5 OB bent up 1/2 step and 6 blow are the same tonic pitch. Powerful and cool!
Of course none of this would be possible without my recent invention of throat bending.

I was inspired by watching a guy play two trumpets at the same time.

p.s....all these techniques can be done with or without throat vibrato.
tmf714
1570 posts
Mar 20, 2013
6:33 PM
I am fairly certain that Rice Miller invented the "no hands" approach-


didjcripey
496 posts
Mar 20, 2013
9:04 PM
Thats way cool H'dude, but I've been workin on something that'll blow you all away; arse bending.
I can squeeze down on those notes with just the right amount of tension that I get perfect pitch on the overblows.
Just gotta watch out for the follow through sometimes. ;)
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Lucky Lester

Last Edited by didjcripey on Mar 20, 2013 9:07 PM
didjcripey
497 posts
Mar 20, 2013
10:38 PM
and don't forget Sonny Boy's mastery of the nose organ either (at about 4:40)



I bet the overblows would have been tricky there too
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Lucky Lester

Last Edited by didjcripey on Mar 20, 2013 10:44 PM
SuperBee
1023 posts
Mar 21, 2013
12:55 PM
Didj, do you have any exercises you recommend for that?
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tmf714
1571 posts
Mar 21, 2013
5:35 PM
The first recorded overblows-

SuperBee
1026 posts
Mar 21, 2013
5:48 PM
Post of the year Les! Very nice.
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CarlA
303 posts
Mar 21, 2013
6:31 PM
Wow!! This is one of the most intriguing threads to ever grace MBH!
Frank
2087 posts
Mar 21, 2013
6:33 PM
So the fart like noises we love to play on the harmonica have their origin through buddhist monks?
didjcripey
499 posts
Mar 21, 2013
6:47 PM
Taoist, actually; pre buddhism
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Lucky Lester
SuperBee
1028 posts
Mar 21, 2013
6:50 PM
Hang on, now your saying you have to direct the fart into the harp via a monk? This is gonna be trickier than I thought...
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walterharp
1059 posts
Mar 21, 2013
6:50 PM
wow, and all this time i thought it was the sounds we make trying to clear a bad cold, who knew?
harpdude61
1651 posts
Mar 21, 2013
7:12 PM
Wow tmf...wonder if he knew he was doing something unique or just happened upon them and thought they were the norm? Amazing style!
KingoBad
1271 posts
Mar 21, 2013
8:16 PM
I'm sorry, but I was talking about "fartomonica" overblows at least as far back as 2009. It happened to be on an other forum, but it is still there for "posterity."

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Danny
nacoran
6593 posts
Mar 21, 2013
9:02 PM
didjcripey, haven't you seen the 'Practice your forum skills' thread? N.O.D. posted a picture of someone (maybe himself) practicing that very technique a couple years back. It's still in the thread.

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The Iceman
802 posts
Mar 22, 2013
6:07 AM
@didjcripey :

Nice posting. I always enjoy running into someone else on the same path..

Here is how I describe your effect to students:

Imagine you have 10 units of usable energy at any given time. This energy is parceled out to see, hear, think and move.

The more efficiently you use your allotted energy moment to moment, the better results you achieve for whatever you wish to accomplish.

Playing harmonica....student may be using 3 units to breathe, 2 units to think, 4 units on tensing up shoulder/neck/arm/lip throat muscles, leaving only 1 unit left to devote to listening to the resulting sound.

Those 4 units of energy wasted on tightening of the muscle impulses can be regained by learning to relax and not engage musculature unnecessary in achieving the final result.

Learning to relax shoulders/neck/arms/lip and throat muscles results in a recouping of these 4 units of energy that can be redistributed to your ears for listening to yourself and/or perhaps another unit of energy allotted towards your brain or heart to think about or feel more of the music and how you engage in creating it.

I once had a terrible fear reaction to bees and yellow jackets until the day I decided to lie down under a tree branch that held a large hive. At first I was using all 10 units of energy to freak out and tense my whole body as I looked up at the swarming insects.

However, I talked myself into relaxing one muscle at a time while breathing deeply.

Eventually, I regained these 10 units of energy and was able to channel them into listening and watching the bees with interest, totally relaxed - not easily, mind you, but I was resolved to break my fear.

So, to this day, I don't react with jump fear when a bee or yellow jacket comes near me, but rather am relaxed and curious - a much better way to keep the bee and myself unstung and happy.
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The Iceman
The Iceman
803 posts
Mar 22, 2013
7:07 AM
@Frank...

This is supposition - a "what if" scenario.

The reality was the success in relaxing.

No reason for an insect to become aggressive if it is not threatened, for the most part.
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The Iceman
Frank
2090 posts
Mar 22, 2013
10:04 AM
I'm an outdoorsman, gardener, grew up outside and have worked a lot in landscaping when I was younger...Thank God I'm not allergic to those buggers - I've been stung on numerous occasions "OUCH" and even chased by swarms of them a couple of times. They are incredible creatures especially the honey bee - the amount of flowers they need to hit up to make a little honey is astounding :)

Last Edited by Frank on Mar 22, 2013 10:06 AM
colman
236 posts
Mar 23, 2013
8:38 AM
I`ll bet that techniques on blues harp come out of Hoo-Doo ! and Black gospel field hollers it sure isn`t from european harmony.A singing call and responce thing ,before chords to be used...
J-Sin
132 posts
Mar 23, 2013
11:39 AM
I urge you ALL to check out a CD called Africa and the Blues (available in Spotify). It seems that there is a distant yet distinguishable "lineage" from African panpipe and cattle herding horn playing all the way to the Afro-American harmonica styles. You can compare sound examples on that CD between pipes and harp. They do share certain tonal characteristics, plus of course effects like whooping.

Paul Oliver has stated that harmonica probably gradually took quills' place as it was more reliable, durable and easier to come by. Early harmonica players were probably emulating panpipe styles at least to some extent.

Edit: more info on the quills and its ancestors -> http://www.sohl.com/Quills/Quills.htm

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Reed To The Beat!

Last Edited by J-Sin on Mar 23, 2013 11:48 AM
Frank
2092 posts
Mar 24, 2013
3:59 AM
Maybe hearsay, but I heard that the "cough technique" was first invented by a smoker. Joe Camel doesn't recommend starting smoking to learn the technique though!
Thievin' Heathen
170 posts
Mar 24, 2013
11:48 AM
Let's not forget where it all came from..,


or..,

Last Edited by Thievin' Heathen on Mar 24, 2013 11:50 AM
Frank
2095 posts
Mar 25, 2013
7:08 AM
Is it true the piano trill was copped by harpsters?

Last Edited by Frank on Mar 25, 2013 7:10 AM


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