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Musselwhite's Christo Redentor - true origin
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Greg Heumann
1987 posts
Feb 06, 2013
11:40 AM
From Charlie:

"I think we have to say Duke Pearson ripped off James Cleveland for Cristo Redentor.




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timeistight
1095 posts
Feb 06, 2013
11:53 AM
Nope, it was the other way around. Cleveland recorded this in 1966. Pearson first recorded Cristo Redentor in 1963.

James Cleveveland repurposed lots of secular material into gospel. See http://goldeneragospel.blogspot.ca/2011/04/repost-bridge-between-james-clevelands.html
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tmf714
1476 posts
Feb 06, 2013
11:59 AM
timeistight is correct-except it's not Pearson playing his own compostion-its Donald Byrd-

tmf714
1477 posts
Feb 06, 2013
12:04 PM
timeistight
1097 posts
Feb 06, 2013
12:13 PM
it's not Pearson playing his own compostion-its Donald Byrd"

True, however Pearson is credited as arranger on that album. Pearson had been in Donald Byrd's band but dropped out due to illness. Herbie Hancock replaced him.
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HarpKeyAl
34 posts
Feb 10, 2013
5:02 AM
By the way, Donald Byrd died these days... may he rest in peace!

The Byrd version is really cool. I like it.
Moon Cat
153 posts
Feb 10, 2013
11:20 PM
always thought it was a horace silver tune?
HawkeyeKane
1467 posts
Feb 11, 2013
9:00 AM
Until I joined this forum, I always thought that Charlie had written the tune himself. Got schooled on that detail pretty darn quick lemme tell ya. Still, despite giving the originator his due, I have to say I prefer the song on harp over vocals, trumpet, or any other instruments.
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Hawkeye Kane

Last Edited by HawkeyeKane on Feb 11, 2013 10:32 AM
barbequebob
2193 posts
Feb 11, 2013
10:24 AM
HawkeyeKane, you'd be quite surprised at where tons of stuff comes from by many harp players and it proves that may of the greatest players regardless of genres listen to stuff played by those OTHER than just other harp players and many harp players are often guilty of just listening only to harp players and have the attitude that if it ain't got harp on it, I don't/can't listen to it and the greats adapted things from other instruments, including horns, keyboards, guitars, and most definitely vocals and it goes to show you how much you NEVER can learn from just tabs and it's part of the deal for acquiring good listening skills.
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HawkeyeKane
1468 posts
Feb 11, 2013
10:34 AM
@Bob

Oh I agree with you wholeheardtedly on that. Heck I play parts on songs that were originally meant for organ, guitar, horns, even theremins. It's a good way of improving one's self musically overall. I just meant in Redemptor's case, it sounds best on a harp to my ears.
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Hawkeye Kane
STME58
358 posts
Feb 11, 2013
8:17 PM
I just heard Christo Redemtor on a tribute to Donald Byrd on NPR on the way home tonight.
barbequebob
2194 posts
Feb 12, 2013
7:52 AM
Hawkeye, it can sound the best to you because that may be the way you first heard being played, so naturally that's more likely how you'e gonna feel about. On the bandstand, I've often done tunes that are usually done by jump blues horn players like Red Prysock or Joe Houston for example, but the main thing is to learn as much about from the originals as you can from how they approach things and learn all the subtle little things that make it work.

Most people who hear some classic set openers like Chicken Shack have probably never heard the real original version done by jazz organist Jimmy Smith (and he's the actual composer of the tune) or the original version of Watermelon Man by Mongo Santamaria, and the tune was composed originally by jazz man Herbie Hancock, and for those who may have only heard these done on harp, it's perfectly understandable that their preference may be the one done by a harp player.
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