topic: an international concern shamelessly using a community web forum to market its products...
Suzuki: please have the decency to curb the predatory capitalist, "increase-our-market-share" ethic at a website devoted primarily to knowledge-based exchange, and not trans-national commercial exchange...
Suzuki has cultivated the impression of being the most aggressive of the harp manufacturers--pro-level video production ads on You Tube, convention presence, corporate spokesman, etc.
You are helping to turn what is essentially a beautiful art form into a vulgar exercise in endless consumerism.
P-L-E-A-S-E: let us all monitor our appetites, and turn down the "more, more, MORE, MORE!" capitalist...zeal.
"Dean: if you don't want to buy this harp, just ignore it!"
OK.
ps: Suzuki, I own one of your harps, it is a good harp, the Suzuki techs are good people. And, by the way, Hohner, Seydel, etc., have the same quality harps to their credit. The difference: they prevail without the crass, driven, hyped-up marketing assault.
Well I repect your opinion Dean, but one of the reasons I come to this forum is to find out about stuff like this new harp of Suzuki's before most other folks might find out. Granted I am a Suzuki player (prefer the Fire Breath) so you may call me biased. Just curious if you find the Hohner adds on this website offensive. Seriously not trying to be sarcastic, just trying to understand your extreme dislike with Suzuki. Cheers! ---------- snakes in Snohomish
There's nothing crass about Suzuki's marketing on this forum. Of course they are advertising, but they are also contributing to "knowledge-based exchange" with respect to the new harmonica design.
I don't have a problem with any advertising by Suzuki in whatever form. They are innovating in harp tech. If they weren't making a buck, I don't think they would be upgrading products just for the fun of it.
What, in your mind, is the difference between 'predatory capitalism' and organic, grassroots marketing (again, no sarcasm intended)? These guys aren't selling junk bonds or running Cambodian sweatshops or anything else that usually falls under the 'predatory' heading. I for one like that they value input from the hardcore harp nerds, and as a result of their marketing strategy, guys like Brendan Power get to make a living doing what they love (and we get to pick his brain more than we might otherwise).
Input from one (1) consumer to Suzuki or whomever: Make a harp that lasts. I would readily go along the Rolls-Royce principle and pay a whole lot more if I had reason to believe that this item would serve longer -- and I mean longer -- than the ordinary product. Thats´s my main concern in the department of harmonica technology. Boring but true. The instrument is becoming to expensive for my hobby.
Otherwise, all the best to Suzuki for trying to make something new with this product.
Brendan Power, the actual inventor, made the original post announcing this product. Like many of us, he's a professional musician trying to make a living in these not-so-easy times.
I don't see why Brendan should be ashamed (the opposite of "shameless") for announcing the product he invented in a respectful manner in an appropriate venue.
Suzuki, for their part, with their "aggressive" approach, have driven both innovation and overall quality in the harmonica marketplace to new levels. ---------- Winslow
Suzuki: please have the decency to curb the predatory capitalist
Predatory capitalism is The Last Chance Garage in the middle of the desert who charges $8/gal of gas because you’re stuck and don’t have a choice. It’s the sole standing hardware store after a major earthquake that sells his batteries at 10 times what he did the day before because you can’t get them anywhere else and you need them now. Predatory capitalists are the guys that sell insurance to the uneducated or elderly by scaring the hell out of them with what could happen if they don’t buy TODAY. Predatory capitalists take advantage of consumers trapped into doing business with them because of some bad luck or calamity.
Predatory Capitalists PREY on consumers.They're predators.
If anyone has a problem with Suzuki on this “Product Release,” then to be consistent, you must also have a problem with everyone else on this forum in the business of selling us his/r wares on this venue.
Personally, I am glad that they are all here. Not only can one mix with some of the top harp players anywhere, but you get the inside track on new products coming online, Harmonica Events and some world class info on playing and repairs. You learn from the contributions of Mic Builders, Harp Customizers, Amp Builders and repair folks in just about every other aspect of our little world.
Sometimes we forget that these forums don’t just happen by chance. As members, we’re guests in somebody’s house and should be accepting of any other guest that’s here.
Predatory? I think not.
To all the vendors that are helping us learn new things… Keep up the great work you do. I, for one, am glad you’re all here.
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"This is a very lightly moderated forum in which registered members may freely exchange thoughts, tips, and useful insights about any and all harp-related topics."
"But please refrain from flaming, insulting, or otherwise impugning the intelligence or good intentions of your fellow board members, or from starting threads that seek to encourage that sort of behavior."
In the past we have had a few members who abused the forum by shamelessly plugging their own product, (and badmouthing competitors). Brendan isn't one of those guys. Sure, he's trying to make a living, but he also is willing to share his knowledge with people. I'm actually glad to have someone actually involved in one of the big forums as a member here. How often do you get to talk to inventors and actually ask them about their inventions?
I have absolutely no problem with Suzuki or any other Harp manufacturer via their team of talented players & technical staff giving us information on their products. They are very helpful in every respect.
Now if it were Coka Cola or Mcdonalds peddling stuff my views might be very different ie unless they (fat chance) be sponsoring a harmonica related show /competition etc.
For all its many faults capitalism still comes out ahead of any other system. And with the number of players/ manufacturers of harps there is healthy competition producing better & better products & great deals for us. None have a monopoly so the use of terms such as 'predatory' are truly fanciful.
My only concern was with this great new harp from Suzuki that all my harmonicas are now obsolete! But I managed to convince myself that Brendan is such a great player that he could even make a $2 plastic harp sound better than my attempts on a custom!
I have nothing against you Dean but I am glad that video by Brendan was on here because I would have never know about this cool new harp without it. So maybe you should look at it that way, he is spreading information that many casual harp playes myself included would not have known without it being on here.
I agree with Dean in that Brendan's videos are pro-level. Truly fun to watch.
Dean, I think I understand that you are frustrated by a company's use of a community's enthusiasm to support a business strategy. I think you are passionate about this issue and that's commendable.
I will refrain from arguing the point because the fact is, this is Adam's forum. If you have an issue with the topics that are allowed to be discussed (or rather you would like to add something to the very short list of topics that are off-limits) then take it up with Adam.
Suzuki is probably only going to thank you for the free publicity they are getting from this thread anyway.
I think you might want to chill out a bit and wait a little while before speaking for the whole forum...
Noodles,
it is precisely that kind of behavior that allows us to have access to those items. The people who really need those items will still have access to them instead of every yahoo buying batteries off the shelf at regular prices. They will also strive to get more of those items because they have incentive. if I have a kid with an insulin pump that needs a battery, I would be happy to pay a large premium for the battery. If they had been sold to every yahoo at regular prices, I would not have that opportunity.
Wow! Strong post from someone who's post count has only just passed the 50 mark.
On the topic of Suzuki and particularly Brendan, they're innovating and bringing new ideas to the table. Our awareness of these innovations, particularly brought to our attention by means of internet marketing and taking the trouble of posting in community forums has helped in progressing our instrument more in the last 10-20 years than arguably in the last 50 years or so.
Back when I started in the late 80's, you had a choice between Lee Oskar or Hohner Blues Harps or MB's bought from the local music store in popular keys only A,C,D,F. Most of them would have been languishing in a drawer with the Kazoos and Jews Harps and would have undoubtedly been played by the stinky breathed teenage Saturday kid. It was viewed as nothing more than a toy.
Now look at what we have. Massive choice from a number of manufacturers, alt. tunings, half valving, fully customised instruments, replacement reedplates, exotic wood combs, I could go on and on.
Sorry to say Dean, you're talking bollocks and biting the very hand that has fed the harmonica community's knowledge and brought the instrument and players to the exciting level it is at today.
@Brendan: More posts please! Keep this great stuff coming.
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what does post count have to do with having a "strong" opinion? does someone have to have multiple posts on every thread, to the point of redundancy, before they can throw their 2 cents in about a thread that could easily be argued belongs in the "for sale" thread?
dean- you can always do what i do- i read the first couple sentences of the thread, realized he was hawking another product and moved on to a different thread.
arzajac- good point. it is adam's forum and he should be the one to determine what can be discussed here. like this thread that dean is getting jumped about.. a little ironic, huh?
(vegas odds are 63 to 1 this is going to get locked.)
Sorry eharp, I should have done a bit of research before making such a post.
Dean has been a member here since 24th July this year.
That's 11 days.
If he doesn't like the way things are done here, the door does swing both ways, I guess, but Brendan and Suzuki have been posting up here long enough without any complaint from other members or moderators.
In fact I think it's fair to say their contributions are highly valued and very much looked forward to. If he feels something is out of line, then he's at liberty to contact a mod off forum and air his grievance.
Personally, I wouldn't have the balls to start ranting at someone after such a short time of being a member of any forum.
However, apart from Dean's post being bollocks, I merely indicated that given his post count (and time as a member, it has now transpired) it was a little strong and that Suzuki's and Brendan's contributions are as valuable to the community as they are to Suzuki's marketing strategies. I see it as very much a two way street.
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@Dean: First off, I'm on vacation with my family and really should be doing THAT, not coming here and weighing in.
At first I wasn't sure what you were talking about, but then I took a look at the forum index and quickly found the thread that offends you.
I don't blame you for being offended. But that's not quite the same thing as agreeing with you. And saying "I don't blame you for being offended" is in NO way to be interpreted as criticism of my friend Brendan Power, one of the world's great players, or of Suzuki, a forward-looking manufacturer.
I'm simply saying that I understand and appreciate your response.
The truth is, this forum SHOULD be receptive to information and talk about cutting-edge products that will be of significant interest to many people here. It's in my interest to make this forum a place that welcomes such contributions.
By the same token, after more than five years of existence, this entire website only contains two ads: a Hohner ad on the homepage and, much more recently, an ad for a forward-looking harmonica-related product at the bottom of the forum homepage. That is by my deliberate choice. I'm aware of the dangers of predatory capitalism. I could sign up for AdSense today and this entire website would be creeping and crawling with little boxed ads tomorrow.
I don't want that. I've got a fair share of Amazon affiliate and Musician's Friend icons on certain specific pages, but beyond that I don't go.
I think that Suzuki has been shrewd here to retain Brendan as their spokesman, and I think that Brendan is a brilliant spokesman for the product. I'm delighted that the MBH forum has become a go-to place for major harmonica manufacturers to find ways of showcasing their products using amazingly good players.
But of course, there's a slippery slope here. None of us would like it, I presume, if a third of the threads were started by spokemen for harmonica, mic, and amp manufacturers and were, in effect, infomercials--however clever, informative, and brilliantly soundtracked--for those products. I presume that even Brendan wouldn't like that.
I wouldn't like that.
So in this case, as majordomo of the site and thus this forum, I'll just say that I'll encourage all of you not to dismiss Dean's complaint out of hand, but to recognize it for what it might, at its best, be construed as being: a canary-in-the-mineshaft alert. There is indeed a slippery slope here.
I'm fine with what Brendan has done. It creates great energy--and the product is, after all, one that many (modern) blues harmonica players will want to know about.
By the same token, I'll go on notice here: while I'm OK with members contributing an occasional Here's-a-new-product-you-should-know-about thread, especially where that member has had a hand in creating (or advising a company on creating) that product, please tread gently on the privilege, everybody. There could conceivably come a future moment--the 1/3-of-threads-consisting-of-product-debuts moment--when I'll freak out and revise the forum creed unilaterally so as to explicitly forbid such things.
I'd much rather not find myself backed into a corner where I feel the need to do that. I prefer the energy that comes when this forum retains an element of "marketplace," in the best sense: marketplace of new ideas, town common, etc.
So sum up: I'm fine with what Brendan has done. If Jason or Howard or Carlos DJ wants to come on here, make a video, and tell us about the latest harmonica phenomenon, I'll be equally receptive. If Greg wants occasionally to tell us what pro has just endorsed his mics....oh, that's right. This website has an ad for Greg's company. Three ads in five years I've got. So shoot me.
But I do understand and respect what Dean is saying, even if I don't, at this moment, agree with it.
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Let's also note: Brendan and Jason and Greg are longtime members in good standing here; they participate in an ongoing way in a range of threads. Brendan has shared a great deal of his journey towards one-man band playing, for example, with us on this forum. That makes a difference. It would be an extremely bad idea for somebody associated with a harp or amp or mic company to register here and then immediately begin posting infomercials. THAT does indeed look like predatory capitalism.
If a member in good standing occasionally veers in the product-debut direction, that's much less objectionable, IMO. I'm fine with it, in fact--as long as the slippery-slope argument that I've outlined in my preceding post is attended to. Use it, don't abuse it. Trust me and the other moderators to achieve something like rough justice.
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What's all the fuss about? Suzuki makes a great harp. You may have a point if the spokesmen and women were no-talent shills, but they aren't. It is Brendan's HONESTY about the product that sells it, not the money behind ads.
As a consumer, I want information. I come here to this forum for information, fellowship, and good times. When and if it gets incessant, you just learn to tune it out. For instance, we have all heard for the umpteenth time about how certain mics by Greg Heumann are superior to all others. Even though I believe that Electrovoice mics are just as good if not better, and some others think otherwise, I know that Greg is a great guy who believes in his product and is proud of it. It isn't that he is hustling anyone. And his info across a wide range of matters of mics and amps is extremely valuable. So a little bit of shameless promotion is tolerable to me, and I am sure others. If people thought he was being a shill, they wouldn't deal with him. And quite frankly, I like to know that he has stuff for sale, because when the time is right, I'll be a customer too.
I would be willing to bet that Suzukis are not your go-to harps. Quite frankly, I think Hohner dominates on this forum anyway. And if Mr. Suzuki were to speak on the subject, his passion for what he does would probably blow us all away.
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never mind it was one of the more interesting posts of the entire week then again i liked todd's post on the dortel harmonica. geez loweezzee aren't they french? quick somebody post a protest thread
I own both hohner and suzuki harps...they are both great...hohner just has a lot more different models...and you dont have to buy either..you have the choice of buying less expensive harps like I only wear timex watches....capitalism is only bad when it price gouges on commodities like health insurance and medicine...which is the way it is...
"please respect this forum"?? Jeez - I don't remember voting for a new gatekeeper / moderator or king - did someone die and leave you in charge? I'm another 'tax everyone but me" lefty out here in San Francisco - and I don't believe that "corporations are people" - but Brendan is a real person - one who is as commited to this little instrument as much as anyone on the planet.
Talk about making a "quick buck" : If you want to learn a bit about what it takes to bring inspiration and innovation from idea to reallity - read the article he wrote about the more than twenty year saga it took to get this harmonica into production. - Why would he want anyone here to know about it - or be able to make music with it? Must be the predatory instinct. http://www.brendan-power.com/images/HW%20Sept%202012%20Brendan's%20Article.pdf
The forum gives you the abillity to interact with and learn from someone who just helped re-invent the instrument - You could actually do that here - but that might be politically incorrect.
The more I read the more I see that one's political opinions are just a function of their psychology. I think some people are born leaning toward structure, efficiency, and trust of authority. Others lean towards empathy, exploration and novelty. Here is an interesting study on this. Perhaps this understanding would help our society's current impasse.
---------- Since I learned to overblow, I don't use my car horn so much any more.
The argument--if assessed as written--is seen to be a critique of the exploitative, adversarial nature of trans-national corporations in general and Suzuki in particular. We know this by an informed reading of the post, and not, mind you, an imaginative, heedless interpretation of same. To claim understanding, then, when one's conclusion is askew is to betray misunderstanding. Neither is it appropriate to conflate (fuse) the international rep with his employer, since they are, in fact, not one and the same (more on this...). Please process that point, as what follows derives from its essential truth.
Capitalism, by its very nature is adversarial, exploitative, aggressive—and, on occasion, openly hostile--etc. A marketing frenzy, borne solely of greed for gain, produces volatile markets. This artificial stimulation of the ‘demand’ function—occurring, e.g., via seductive, unremitting and often subliminal advertising—escalates prices, as competitors must now bring their own business agenda into line with the most acquisitive rival for market share, or disappear under the waves (if you insist that I connect the dots, this may translate into an impending price increase from Hohner in order to avoid being eclipsed by aggressive Suzuki, etc. Stay tuned…).
The unremitting drive for growth—as close a definition to a cancer as on could hope to find—does not scruple to destroy the host, despite the fact that this means its own demise as well. Capitalism then, appears as a mindless, libidinous pursuit for what is not there. It is desire run rampant, desire for its own sake, the never-to-be-sated, fundamental agency in our midst.
Caught up in this top-down, piggish melee for an ever-increasing investment return are—what?—us: human beings! People like the musicians at this forum, as well as—that’s right!—as well as your friend, the company spokeman, are all caught up in the capitalist seduction. It is a juggernaut to which we may either relent and submit, or, recognizing the lie that informs its false nature, name it and resist, however we interpret that essential term. Its hierarchical nature engenders class warfare, i.e., the investor class at the top lording it over We, the Sheeple, the bottom feeders not privy to the corridors of Power. It engenders investment schemes where only the working class pays, as the investor class is shielded by a State-ordered status quo.
Once again: the argument was not about someone's best friend being assailed. If he has given himself over to this investor-class seduction he, then, is his own worst enemy. If so, he has, essentially, forfeited his own right to live freely, without coercion, without being co-opted, without prostituting himself. If the self-respect that says “fight back!” “resist!” “organize”, etc., is lost upon him, he is lost, too. If that is the case, then it is by his own ill-informed choice. These verities exist for all of us--no exceptions!
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It's good to get information about the latest harmonica products. But of course every grown up person understand that it is a mix of business and information. And it's a lot of that on Youtube!!
So I don't feel that I can trust all the world class harmonica players in these situations. It would be interesting to see an independent critical analysis of the harmonicas that maybe compares different factors and price with other similar products to get a "value for money" index for harmonicas.
Given the two very eloquent posts you've just made, it's quite apparent that this subject is something which you've studied and have strong opinions on. I respect that. Personally, I spend a huge amount of time studying the Israel Palestine conflict and all it's nuances.
The big issue I find when discussing with others, that due to their lack of knowledge on the topic, much of what I say falls to deaf ears, which isn't necessarily right (and certainly isn't in my opinion), but I have to accept that some people aren't as interested as I am.
I'm not trying to blow you off here as I think your second and third posts make your initial post far clearer, but I just took a quick look down the thread. Most posts are in the vein of 'I'm not offended', 'I didn't even notice' or 'I like Suzuki's marketing / infomercials'.
From this, we have to deduce that most aren't bothered about the marketing here. Yes, it exists and Adam has identified your post flags a potential issue but I'd say the reason the issue exists for you is that your antennae are very attuned to the issue.
As far as Suzuki's marketing goes, I don't see an issue as they're producing a 'want' product rather than a 'need' product. If they can market successfully enough (as I think they have with the SUB30) to turn their product from want to must have in the consumer's mind, then all they've done is convinced some people to shell out a big chunk of change for a cool harp. No one is going to die or not feed their kids. It's not really a disaster of any kind. However, if the SUB 30 turns out as useable as it seems, it may well supplant the 10 hole Richter in it's current form and that makes it's announcement extremely noteworthy of our attention.
Ultimately, I don't think Suzuki's marketing strategies are really worth sounding off about. As far as Brendan being conflated with Suzuki, I think you have to count them as one and the same. Brendan isn't a mindless mouthpiece for the company. He works very closely with them and without speaking for him, I think he would shy away from anything he felt would bring his professional integrity into question. Bringing forward his innovations and seeing them come to light must be a real buzz for him. If I were him, I'd be shouting from the rooftops.
Short and sweet? I really don't think there's been sufficient trespass to warrant your objections.
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@Steamrollin Stan: The Suzuki Motor Corporation (Suzuki Kabushiki-Kaisha) is a public company that was founded in 1909 by Michio Suzuki. The Suzuki Musical Instrument Corporation (Suzuki Gakki Seisakusho) is a family business that was founded in 1953 (by Manji Suzuki, I believe). They are two completely different companies.
BTW, Suzuki is the second most common Japanese surname, meaning "bell wood" or "bell tree" or "bud tree", according to Wikipedia.
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As one of the first mass-produced musical instruments, harmonicas are a product of the capitalist corporation. There is one company that under both capitalist and communist regimes. Perhaps Dave Payne, our resident historian and Seydel expert, could weigh in on how their harmonicas were effected by the change from capitalism to communism and back.
If I understand this situation correctly - All harmonica players and manufacturers have a personal duty to vote Republican or things can go from bad to worse quickly for harp players here and around the free world?
Dean, I agree with a lot of what you say, especially in relation to curbing consumption and the fallacy of limitless growth; but this is a harmonica forum, and if Suzuki has improved the harmonica, I'm going to be interested. Also, as a harmonica forum, its not necessarily a good place to discuss politics or ideology, though it is the nature of discussions to digress, so here's my two cents worth:
I wont be forking out two hundred bucks for one of their new harps, but I believe that if enough people want to and suzuki can do it and make a buck they are entitled. Its not in anything like the same class as Monsanto forcing GM crops on third world farmers, or the monopolisation of essential resources like food and water. Whilst I can see fatal flaws of capitalism, I also believe that generally everyone should be free to do as they please (as long as it doesn't hurt others). Laissez faire is a fundamental right in my opinion. If people want to eat themselves into obesity and an early grave on synthesised 'food' they have the right to make that choice, same as if they allow themselves to become wage slaves to service mortgages on houses and lifestyles way more extravagant than they need.
It seems that you passionately disagree with the basic principles of capitalism and free enterprise. What would you propose as an alternative? ---------- Lucky Lester
What a bunch of mumbo jumbo talk. I joined his forum to learn how to play blues harmonica and if Brendon wants to make post about a new product that can help me do that then I'm good with it. All this "let me show everyone how intellectual I am" language is irritating as hell.
since this doesnt seem to be against any forum rules, those that think this is a waste of time should, from this point on, not click onto it if it offends, bores or irritates.
communism IS an economic system, groyster. http://smallbusiness.chron.com/economic-system-communism-5193.html
Oh most definitely eharp. And since Brendon isn't breaking any forum rules either if anyone doesn't like his post from this point on I suggest they do the same.
exactly, old hickory. but adam did state than brendon was near the line. and i suspect the "economic" turn this post has taken is almost as close.
however, this thread isnt all about brendon/suzuki. this thread could stand on its own. especially with an OT heading. i dont know if dean posted on the other thread. that is irrelevant. this thread is about people selling products. remember the amp stand guy? he started a COUPLE of threads that were basically an ad.
i think all of the locked threads could have been non-issues if folks just learn to walk away. i mean, i could easily, but not correctly, start calling you names. you, perhaps correctly, return the favor. then one or 2 others jump in on defending or slandering one or both of us. then the thread gets locked.
but the vegas odd makers have it now at 94-1 that it gets locked.
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Since harp players seem to be gearheads, anything new is bound to attract attention. Great way to introduce a new harp. BTW: Brendan pioneered this concept, he brought it to Suzuki and they developed and brought it market. I'm sure he is excited to see it introduced. Way to go Brendan!
As soon as you're born they make you feel small By giving you no time instead of it all Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all A working class hero is something to be
They hurt you at home and they hit you at school They hate you if you're clever and they despise a fool Till you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules A working class hero is something to be
When they've tortured and scared you for twenty-odd years Then they expect you to pick a career When you can't really function you're so full of fear A working class hero is something to be
Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV And you think you're so clever and classless and free But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see A working class hero is something to be
There's room at the top they're telling you still But first you must learn how to smile as you kill If you want to be like the folks on the hill
A working class hero is something to be If you want to be a hero well just follow me
-- I feel your pain, Dean. But I re-read your very first sentence out of the blocks, where you implore Suzuki to end a "market-share ethic" when you have absolutely no clue as to what Mr. Suzuki's ethics are, and/or his lifetime devotion to the advancement of harmonica design. Basically you know absolutely nothing about the man's company vision, and yet you make these charges because you feel that your tender little ears have been violated by an announcement of a new, and arguably revolutionary product. I thank you for beginning a very entertaining thread, but that's about it.
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Hmm... This tread maybe should have been marked OT :).
Also, ideologies lies close to religion and are always a touchy subject with strong opinions and as religions, a topic best not discussed in an (blues) internet forum. But that's just my opinion, of course. ---------- Pistolkatt - Pistolkatts youtube
pistolcat- have you noticed this thread is staying waaaay more civil than the religious threads? i wonder if it is because folks care less about the here and now then the afterlife.
This looks like an interesting concept, similar to, but different from the half valving PT is offering with Seydel. I'm glad I have a choice. And that is the difference between Socialism and Capitalism, I have a choice.
There is a nice article on the World of Harmonica website. World of Harmonica
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"Kickable Dog" - my little ode to the Lumpenprolotariat this is a rough demo I co-wrote with Tom Wishing - who's performing it here. I'm still glad for Brendan and Suzuki - despite my card carrying quasi-credentials
