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Lazerface
18 posts
Jun 06, 2012
8:01 PM
So, lately i've been blowing harp on my commute to and from work, basically blaring classic rock amd motown stations while i shuffle harps and mess around whilst stuck in gridlock traffic. With my busy schedule, its really the only time i have to practice. Im tryin to pay attention to my driving, and i'm not always playing, but i feel that i could be a danger while wailing on the road. Somebody please tell me a horror story or 2 to convince me to stop.
Steamrollin Stan
428 posts
Jun 06, 2012
8:05 PM
Keep a mars bar handy in case the police see you.
FMWoodeye
362 posts
Jun 06, 2012
8:36 PM
I keep harps and jam tracks in the car and practice when I'm early for appointments and such but not when I'm driving. Maybe I've been to too many depositions, but if anything happens while you're playing harp, it can't be a good thing from a legal standpoint.
nacoran
5799 posts
Jun 06, 2012
10:17 PM
Remember, if you wreck up it could be someone else you kill. That's what keeps me from doing it. I don't mind taking risks with my own life, but I don't like to risk other people's. (Hand me a deep fried Twinkie!)

On the bright side, both Darpa and Google are working on cars that drive themselves. There are actually road tests going on.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/haydnshaughnessy/2012/05/28/self-driving-cars-take-to-the-highways-in-europe/

Suddenly drunk and distracted driving could be a thing of the past. It will be a golden age for in car harmonica playing. :)

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Stevelegh
531 posts
Jun 06, 2012
11:44 PM
Here in the UK we have a charge called 'driving without due care and attention', which is a catch all that covers amongst other things like shaving or putting makeup on behind the wheel. I guess one could be busted for playing harp under that.

I wonder if we have any officers (both US and UK) here who could clarify?
SuperBee
307 posts
Jun 07, 2012
1:33 AM
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XHarp
497 posts
Jun 07, 2012
4:11 AM
If your life is that busy you need to reassess that first.
But really all it takes is to leave the harps at home in their case. The danger is self-evident let alone the fines for distracted driving.
It's up to you, not anyone else. Just don't do it.
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harpdude61
1422 posts
Jun 07, 2012
6:32 AM
I'll admit it. Every time I am in my car alone I'm jammin. It gets me a solid hour a day of practice during the week. It is nowhere near as risky as talking on a cell phone and we won't even discuss texting.

Your mind is still free to focus on driving. You play unconcious in a way. Sure you tie up one hand, but thats no different than coffee or a bottle of water...or a cell phone

Hands-free phone devices are more dangerous than playing harmonica. I've caught myself sitting at a green light while talking to someone. It is a totally different focus because someone else is involved and you have to think instead of play.

When I need both hands to turn I simply leave the harp in my mouth and do it.

If I was brave enough to eat, drink, put make-up on, brush my teeth, read a book, recieve oral sex, carry a dog on my lap, or talk on a phone while driving (yes, I have seen all these)...then a harp should be no problem.
harpwrench
595 posts
Jun 07, 2012
6:50 AM
I think it's a good safe time to practice simply breathing through the harp. You have to breathe anyway:) Turn the radio off and just quietly play long tones. Work on a breath supported slow vibrato if you don't have one. Start with 4 draw, when that's mastered, move to the 3 hole and so on.
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BAG
121 posts
Jun 07, 2012
7:03 AM
Drivin' is where I learned the value of playin' scales. Always keep a harp in the car for playing scales and stuff like Adam's warm-up exercises. I keep a Gindick cd in one of the cd slots to play along with the backing track too. There isn't always time to play at home, but there is always time on the commute.
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lynn
21 posts
Jun 07, 2012
8:18 AM
I don't do it in heavy traffic with red lights and things, but I do play on long stretches of country roads with hardly any cars around. One of the advantages of living in the boonies.
Drago13
10 posts
Jun 07, 2012
8:30 AM
Nice to see Im not the only one that does this. I dont see any danger in it, as long as with anything else, do it responsibly. i.e. no cupping, warbles etc., and keep it to one hand only. Its a great time to practice notes, learning by ear etc. My eyes never leave the road. :)
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bloozefish
25 posts
Jun 07, 2012
8:42 AM
I have a 45-minute commute to and from work, but much of it is easy driving with the cruise control. After 35-some years of being an untutored pucker player and attending a couple of workshops w/ Dennis Gruenling, I became convinced of the need to learn TB.

That 45-minute commute, only playing TB, finally got me over the hump. I put the harps down when traffic gets tricky, but yessir, I'm guilty.

james
Drago13
12 posts
Jun 07, 2012
9:17 AM
@bloozefish Come to think of it, that is exactly how I started learning TB. LOL
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Lazerface
20 posts
Jun 07, 2012
4:39 PM
You guys were supposed to convince me to stop altogether, but i suppose i can pace myself and only play when the risk involved is minimal.
XHarp
498 posts
Jun 07, 2012
4:57 PM
You're listening to the wrong advice. As a Fleet Manager for a large municipality I have responsibility for driver training and compliance. Distraction is as dangerous adjusting the radio as it is in a conversation with a passenger. Distraction has a lot, but not everything, To do with cell phones or texting. Driver distraction are still a very large part of traffic fatalities.
Please read this http://www.distraction.gov/research/PDF-Files/Distracted-Driving-2009.pdf then make your own decision with an open mind.
Please do not justify playing and driving because of comments on this thread.
This is a serious problem continually fueled by ignorance of the facts.
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Destin
28 posts
Jun 10, 2012
3:13 PM
I started playing harp on my commute and it's the only time I practice
I have no cupping skills
eebadeeb
38 posts
Jun 10, 2012
3:46 PM
I have been harpin during my hour long commute for 35 years. Without it I would fall asleep at the wheel every day at least once. I often record for posting on Harmonicaboogie.com and on fairly straight stretches I cup both hands and drive with my knees. I keep my eyes on the road and am not distracted by playing. I am certain I am actually safer playing than not.
laurent2015
255 posts
Jun 10, 2012
7:24 PM
This story could inspire you in case of beeing caught but not really recommended: you won't never be so lucky in your escape!

A fellow bought a new Mercedes and was out on the interstate for a nice evening drive. The top was down, the breeze was blowing through what was left of his hair, and he decided to open her up.

As the needle jumped up to 80 mph, he suddenly saw flashing red and blue lights behind him. "There's no way they can catch a Mercedes," he thought to himself and opened her up further.

The needle hit 90, 100... Then the reality of the situation hit him. "What am I doing?" he thought, and pulled over.

The cop came up to him, took his license without a word and examined it and the car. "It's been a long day, this is the end of my shift and it's Friday the 13th. I don't feel like more paperwork, so if you can give me an excuse for your driving that I haven't heard before, you can go."

The guy thinks for a second and says, "Last week my wife ran off with a cop. I was afraid you were trying to give her back!"

"Have a nice weekend," said the officer.

Last Edited by on Jun 10, 2012 7:28 PM
jbone
953 posts
Jun 10, 2012
10:12 PM
if you guys NEED to practice while you're driving, you need to reassess your lives or schedules or soundproof a room at the house or something.
why do you think this is any different than texting behind the wheel? and by the way watch the Jack Nicholson/Jessica Lange version of "The Postman Always Rings Twice" to get a look at making out while driving.

i try my best to not talk on the phone or even mess with the radio much when i drive let alone that other stuff. things happen so very fast when driving, even at 30 or 40.
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Steamrollin Stan
439 posts
Jun 10, 2012
10:33 PM
So i suppose a chromo is a no no?
boris_plotnikov
723 posts
Jun 11, 2012
3:05 PM
I'm driving for two years or so, so I don't think I'm enough good driver. I play only in traffic jams.
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lynn
25 posts
Jun 11, 2012
3:13 PM
>>why do you think this is any different than texting behind the wheel?<<

Because you don't need to look at a harp to play it, you can play and keep your eyes on the road the whole time. Unlike sending a text when you actually *need* to look at your phone to do it.

It's really not any more risky than holding a conversation with someone in the passenger seat or listening to a CD -- other things you can do in a car without taking your eyes off the road.

Last Edited by on Jun 11, 2012 3:15 PM
lumpy wafflesquirt
584 posts
Jun 11, 2012
3:26 PM
@Xharp well said
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nacoran
5833 posts
Jun 11, 2012
6:46 PM
lynn, the studies on distracted driving seem to show that you don't have to be looking down to be distracted. Even hands free talking on the phone makes you a considerably worse driver. Listening to music is a much less thought involving act, and the theory on talking with a passenger is that by having a second person who can notice traffic problems balances out the distraction.

It's interesting, the cell phone companies originally sponsored a lot of studies that found it wasn't dangerous to talk and drive, but as time passed and the billing structure changed from charging by the minutes to unlimited calling mysteriously their studies started lining up with the non-industry studies.

Like I've said before, I don't mind risking my life playing harmonica, but I think it's a bad idea to risk other peoples.

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Pistolcat
191 posts
Jun 12, 2012
12:39 PM
I, too, play when commuting. I agree with harpdude: You keep your mind on driving even if your playing with one hand. I only play on the country stretches tough. I believe it impairs my (one's) driving ability no more than singing along with the radio.
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laurent2015
258 posts
Jun 12, 2012
1:30 PM
To all intents and purposes, do we write "harp martyr"
or "harp martyre"?

Some interesting epitaphs:

"It was his last blow"
"Swallow your harp and gag"
"He could just cry GEE actually his preferred key"

Which one you pick?
Buzadero
977 posts
Jun 12, 2012
2:03 PM
I perform the dreaded "playing while driving" as well. I cover many miles a year traveling to a myriad of jobsites all over the place. Do I play whilst sitting in stop-and-go traffic? No. Do I play as I move through an urban environment of stoplights, bicycles and pedestrians? No.

I do play on the Interstate Highway System, State Highways and yes, even County Roads, Forest Service Roads and even privately controlled lands.

Do I recognize that it has the potential for creating a diminishment of focus or some level of distraction? Perhaps. By the interpretation of many, I'm both taking my life in my hands as well as endangering everyone around me. Yup. But, I'm doing that when I reach over to change the station, in the fifteen minutes after I leave the drive through burger joint and countless other instances. But, I'm a big boy.

And, while I appreciate the concern over my well being, the positively intended admonishments, and the attention to my business by those do-gooders out there, I've been doing this under my own judgement for over 30 years. I've never had even a close call , let alone an incident. I must be cheating the Reaper by the narrowest of borrowed margins.

No, I am not recommending this to anyone but me. I respect the individual's right to determine what is in their own best interest. I also respect your right to make the attempt to get in my business by using the tired old argument that what I may consider to be in my best interest might impact someone else's well being, and thus it allows you to be justified in imposing your effect on me. Whatever.

I'm probably hurtling down the road riding the razor's edge of risk, and God help you if you happen to be unfortunate enough to find yourself in my killzone when the reed finally sticks and distracts me enough to cross four lanes and jump the center divider. Go ahead and take it upon yourself be aghast at my cavalier disregard for myself and my fellow man.

Hiding behind the anonymity of this User Name, you can't touch me. I will continue my veritable karmic deathwish of masturbatory musical oblivion to my fellow man.

However, I do ride a motorcycle about 10K miles a year so I think your risk to me balances it out......



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didjcripey
284 posts
Jun 12, 2012
2:26 PM
Well said Buz.

A lot depends on the context and the individual
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laurent2015
259 posts
Jun 12, 2012
4:52 PM
Yes, eventually well said, rather balanced arguments in those lines and a tinge of ultimate freedom.
I don't judge, I'll just never do as you do; maybe I don't really understand the guys who take the risk, and turn it into humor.
You ride a bike? Would it come up to your mind to play harp while riding? Probably no...
So, doesn't that mean that if you do it in a car, it's first of all because YOU feel in security in that car?
Buzadero
978 posts
Jun 12, 2012
5:01 PM
So, doesn't that mean that if you do it in a car, it's first of all because YOU feel in security in that car?

Why no. That is an erroneous and assumptive conclusion.

It takes two hands to ride a bike, there isn't a handy place to put it down when the time comes, the helmet would get in the way, and the wind speed would mess with my blow reeds and overblow technique.

But, thanks for your concern....





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laurent2015
260 posts
Jun 12, 2012
5:22 PM
"and the wind speed would mess with my blow reeds"
Maybe not. But surely you wouldn't have to draw anymore...ahem... don't try!
BronzeWailer
629 posts
Jun 12, 2012
8:16 PM
@Stan. You just need a Mars bar wrapper, actually. I am trying to use the commute time to do a bit of singing. I realised it's a necessary evil for me to learn how to do. Forcing myself to as often as possible. Doesn't require hands either!
smwoerner
70 posts
Jun 12, 2012
8:36 PM
Vocal exercises...for all of you that don't sing or that want to improve this is the time to learn. Get a set of audio lessons and use the time to practice a new skill.

And, the singers get the girls ;)


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