tmf714
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Jun 05, 2012
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Richard Sleigh and Joe Spiers had a similar situation arise-here is how Richard handled it-
http://rsleigh.com/lifetimeharmonica-combs/
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Stevelegh
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Jun 05, 2012
12:38 PM
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Bear in mind Du Pont was one of the biggest
lobbyists against marijuana because they couldn't make a comparative substitute to hemp rope.
Due to the retarding of medical and engineering advances for their corporate greed, I hold no regard for them.
I wouldn't be impressed by them. They just wanted to ensure you're not screwing with their bottom line.
Edit: Sorry Tom. I understand you're using their product and it is good news they've validated your usage, but I find Du Pont's underhand business methods really annoying. Apologies for bringing this here. I flipped. I am pleased for you. You make some great combs and as you know, I've bought a few.
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Stickman
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Jun 05, 2012
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Du Pont is also one of the largest manufacturers of Neonicotinois. An insecticide that is believed by beekeepers to be one of the (THE) leading causes for Colony Collapse Disorder in honey bees.
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GMaj7
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Jun 05, 2012
1:29 PM
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Wow.. So like the whole DuPont marijuana issue was in like 1939 wasn't it?
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harpwrench
594 posts
Jun 05, 2012
3:15 PM
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Kinda funny, Randy Sandoval has had Corian on his website for close to 10 years. Unauthorized.
Edit: I didn't get a letter and AFAIK Richard didn't either.
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florida-trader
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Jun 05, 2012
6:29 PM
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Maybe I'm just paranoid...... or should be. :)
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didjcripey
266 posts
Jun 05, 2012
7:52 PM
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you know... maybe they're not all bad ;)
http://www2.dupont.com/Government/en_US/gsa_contracts/Government_Projects.html
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nacoran
5788 posts
Jun 05, 2012
8:00 PM
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Tom, lol. Yeah. Looking into the face of big business can be scary. There are lots of companies out there that have shady business practices. Since I was a little kid my family has been boycotting Nestle. I'm a huge Coca Cola fan, but they've got some pretty shady business practices in the third world. I use to have a whole folder on my computer for articles detailing ways Walmart was being creepy, including locking the night shift in so they couldn't leave. GE has a lousy reputation up in Upstate NY for dragging their feet on dredging the Hudson to get all the PCB's they dumped in there over the years cleaned up. If I recall, DuPont started out as a gunpowder manufacturer and went on to get in all sorts of legal trouble for leaky silicon!
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billy_shines
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Jun 06, 2012
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no list boycott everything! revolution for the hell of it. boycott harmonicas.
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jbone
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Jun 06, 2012
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that computer or iphone you're using to read and post here? full of bad stuff for humans and the environment. the insulation, roof, sheetrock, flooring, and most everything your home is built of? very bad stuff. let's not get started on cars, shoes, cigarettes, or processed foods.
question is, where do you draw a line? we as a culture have embraced our comforts at nearly any cost.
i don't know about you but i live 12 miles from my job. no trains or buses run dependably through here and there are no safe bike routes. i NEED my car. dupont no doubt has some hand in building cars.
for years i shopped at wallymart since they seemed to have everything i needed at good prices. in recent years i've noticed that their choices are not as good and prices are getting ridiculous. so i shop other places when i can. but at the core of it we are all locked in to big business. want to try being truly self sufficient? i don't.
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billy_shines
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Jun 06, 2012
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that computer or iphone you're using to read and post here? (dell found it in the trash in 05)
the insulation, roof, sheetrock, flooring, and most everything your home is built of?
(old house not new)
cars, shoes, cigarettes, or processed foods.
(ride a scoot, quit cigs, avoid processed food)
question is, where do you draw a line?
(start by reaching for a pencil)
we as a culture have embraced our comforts at nearly any cost.
(whats the we? no you! you are a mindless consumer. if you hear the jingle in your head put it back on the shelf out of principle. oh and shut the tv off theres never anything good on.
i don't know about you but i live 12 miles from my job.
(its bikeable/scootable.)
no trains or buses run dependably through here and
leave early theyre more dependable than freinds to get to the airport.
there are no safe bike routes.
safe? lol every time you get into a car theres an 88% chance you will die why do people feel so safe in them?
i NEED my car. im sure you do i dont have a problem with it you seem to. i dont complain about gas costs insurance rates or mechanics fees.
but at the core of it we are all locked in to big business.
(you can pick that lock with a stolen paperclip from work and get out once in awhile)
want to try being truly self sufficient? i don't.
(baby steps man baby steps)
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136 posts
Jun 06, 2012
9:43 AM
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So anyhow - those Corian combs - they sure are nice! :)
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Honkin On Bobo
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Jun 06, 2012
9:51 AM
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"safe? lol every time you get into a car theres an 88% chance you will die"
i'm calling shenanigans on that one
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harpnwillys
22 posts
Jun 06, 2012
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Tom those combs sure do look nice. I really like that sanded pine, they are all very nice. Tom W
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nacoran
5790 posts
Jun 06, 2012
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Yeah, they look pretty! I'm going to either buy a comb and cover this month or a sonic cleaner.
Honkin, 37% of all statistics are made up. :)
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Jun 06, 2012
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Billy, 1 in 87 doesn't mean an 88% chance each time you get in a car, or even for your lifetime. It means you have 1/87= 0.0114% chance.
By vehicle miles, you are much more likely to die on a motorcycle, which is a much better way to plan your risk management.
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Honkin On Bobo
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Jun 06, 2012
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you beat me to it nate......i was going to offer billy some statistics lessons..for a fee.......but being the luddite that he is, i'm sure he'd prefer a ouija board
.....as always billy, you crack me up
gotta hop in my roller coaster and head to the grocery store
adios
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ElkRiverHarmonicas
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Jun 06, 2012
12:10 PM
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Mail them a sample and tell them to shove it up their asses - or analyze it to see if it is Corian.
Dude, why do you need to call it Corian anyway? Call it "tone bone" or something.
It is interesting Randy has been getting away with this for like 10 years.
They take this stuff seriously. I got a letter from "Marilyn Blood" at Johnson and Johnson one time because I had mentioned in my outdoor column about freezing squirrels in them. Now this was BEFORE the internet, which means they had people sitting around in little rooms, scanning print newspapers for this stuff.
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markdc70
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Jun 06, 2012
12:46 PM
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Hey Dave, In what exactly were you freezing the squirrels? That's just such an odd story, that I need more clarity!
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florida-trader
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Jun 06, 2012
12:48 PM
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It's just another example of how different we all are. The people who emailed me asking me if the stuff I was calling Corian was genuine DuPont™ Corian® were obviously concerned about getting the real deal. On the other end of the spectrum, as evidenced by some of the comments on this thread, genuine Corian® might be a turn-off BECAUSE it is made by DuPont. I wonder how they feel about Samsung, the maker of Staron®? Maybe I shouldn't open that can of worms.
This is no different than the ongoing debates about TB vs. LP, wood combs vs. plastic combs vs. metal combs, tube amps vs. solid state, Babe Ruth vs. Ty Cobb, etc. etc.
Some issues will never be put to rest. Perhaps that's a good thing. Makes the world a more interesting place.
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Jun 06, 2012
12:52 PM
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"Dude, why do you need to call it Corian anyway? Call it "tone bone" or something"
That's why Richard Sleigh calls it "Black Magic"
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ReedSqueal
286 posts
Jun 06, 2012
1:35 PM
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"Tone Bone" - Love it!
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ElkRiverHarmonicas
1111 posts
Jun 06, 2012
1:44 PM
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Mark, I was talking about freezing squirrels in "ziploc" bags. Failing to capitalize the "Z" led to my downfall.
Tone bone is the choice wood for boneaphones, by the way.
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billy_shines
502 posts
Jun 06, 2012
1:45 PM
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nah theres a guy makes custom bone bridge pickups called tone bones.
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markdc70
115 posts
Jun 06, 2012
1:50 PM
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I teased my daughter all year that she was learning to play the trombone-aphone. Maybe she needs a corian mouthpiece...
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nacoran
5793 posts
Jun 06, 2012
3:17 PM
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Florida- Ruth all the way! Why? Not for the hitting, but because when he was a pitcher he was dominant, as a left-hander at Fenway.
I once argued, on a sight called Long Bets,(before the Red Sox finally broke the curse) that one of the key reasons the Yankees always beat the Sox was their respective ballparks. Fenway is a great park for right handed hitters. The Monster is tall, but it's easy to reach. A right hander who pulls the ball can make a career by playing at Fenway. Because right handers tend to hit left handers better, this same feature makes Fenway a nightmare for left handed pitching. Yankee Stadium is almost the opposite. The short right field porch makes left handed batters jump up and down and squeal for joy. (Which, I'll confess padded Ruth's hitting stats when he became a Yankee.)
This means, that on the whole, the Red Sox stock their rotation and line-up with right hand pitchers and batters, the Yankees with lefties. On the whole, there are more right handed hitters and pitchers, so the left/right advantage gives the Yankees an edge.
And you know what? When the Sox finally broke the curse it was against a Yankees pitching staff that inexplicably had no left handers!
And of course, if you are willing to overlook steroids, you've got to consider Barry Bonds. :)
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Jun 06, 2012
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@Nacoran - our family refers to Barry Bonds as:
Barry Bonds*
(or "Barry Bonds with an asterisk")
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ElkRiverHarmonicas
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Jun 06, 2012
5:05 PM
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Nate, I'm surprised you didn't specifically mention Ted Williams.
I love baseball stats records and all, it gives us a tie with the history of the game and it gives us something to talk about. I don't know how many times I've sat explaining to somebody how, with 138 lifetime home runs, Roger Conner was one of the extreme top awesomest power hitters in the history of the world, although 132 years after he made his debut in the majors and I think he's still like No. 5 on the triples list.
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garry
227 posts
Jun 06, 2012
7:04 PM
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boy, did this one go off in weird directions.
as far as the original post, good for them for being reasonable about it, protecting their rights without screwing you. doesn't matter if they're Evil Incarnate, they handled this right.
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nacoran
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Roger Connor, you know, I almost mentioned him in my post above. He was a Troy Trojan before they folded. Most of the players went down and joined this new team called the New York Gothams. He was a very big guy for the times and because of him the team got the nickname the Giants! (The weren't actually the same team, but it was most of the same players. I wish MLB would release some memorabilia for the clubs of yesteryear. (I know they have some stuff for the Negro Leagues, but they don't seem to have anything for the small markets that folded- Providence Greys, Troy Trojans (Haymakers), Hartford Dark Blues, Rockford Forest Cities, Toledo Maumees, Elizabeth Resolutes... heck, the Yankees started off as the Baltimore Orioles!
Ted Williams was one of a handful of players who might have been the best. Willie Mays and Rogers Hornsby would be on my short list too.
If we could pin down any of the top 10 or so as harmonica players I'd probably go with them just on principle. Years ago for Mother's Day one of the networks had a bunch of players sing little snippets of a song for their moms. I think maybe it was Stevie Wonder's 'I just called to say I love you'. None of the players knocked it out of the park. Ricky Henderson turned in a particularly dreadful performance. I think maybe that's why he ran so well. He sang once and he spent the rest of his life running away from angry mobs. (When he was healthy and happy he might not of been the best, but he was the most exciting player I ever saw. He could flat out take over a game. There isn't really a stat for distracting the pitcher by taking a big lead, but you could watch ace pitchers unraveling trying to deal with him.
edit: I do love me a good list of historical data.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/
That's the same reason I went through a phase of trying to list all the harmonica manufacturers. Eventually I got overwhelmed by all the little fly-by-night novelty brands out of China.
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ElkRiverHarmonicas
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Charleston Charlies. That was my team when I was a kid.
You were talking about Fenway being prime for right-handed hitters. Ted Williams hit left handed. I figured you'd say something about how he would have hit 50 more home runs if he'd been playing at Yankee Stadium.
The thing that makes Johnny Vander Meer's record SO unbreakable is that you would have to throw three consecutive no-hitters to break it.
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nacoran
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Yeah, but if I give Williams 50 more homers I have to give Gehrig a bunch more because he was a righty in Yankee Stadium. :)
I'd have to give Jim Wynn a bunch more because he played in the Astrodome. (I mention Jim Wynn because he had, in my opinion the greatest nickname in the history of baseball. He was 5'10", 160 lbs., but could hit shots up into the upper deck at the dome. They called him 'The Toy Cannon'. :)
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I don't know what the huff is all about? Gee! Congrats, you get to buy scraps from a Counter top fabricator. I don't want a comb that looks like my counter top I want a special comb color if I'm paying that kind of money for a quality comb. I've checked out all the Corian and Corian like comb materials/colors from the different Custom Harmonica makers and there is one that seems to stand above the rest in quality and color selection. Prices are a few bucks more but for the right color and that little extra attention to quality I'll pay it!
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didjcripey
267 posts
Jun 07, 2012
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Haven't tried hi tech industrial/military/chemical complex counter top combs in my special colour, but for my taste, Suzuki Manji's bamboo composite combs are just the thing. They dont swell and shrink and become useless/uncomfortable/unhygenic like wood, and unlike plastic or resin, they have some of that organic timbre.
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Weeks
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Jun 07, 2012
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You do know that Suzuki Manji's Bamboo composite is just wood scraps soaked in plastic resin? Looks cool though. There are other comb materials made in USA that are not Dupont that are just as good and some say better. I like the look of wood just not the bio-hazards that grow in it. And I want made in USA. For my new Harmonica can some one supply a artificial wood made in USA comb. Maybe some moose bark covers
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Jun 07, 2012
10:26 AM
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The irony in this thread is killing me.
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Jun 07, 2012
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I like the solid color corion or magic or whatever we can get away with calling on the gm and sp20 because I feel it is a bit tighter and louder.than woods or acrylic...I do play a few higher key manjis with stock combs and they are not bad stock harps....
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didjcripey
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@ weeks: yes, thats what makes it a composite. That's why it has similar density and tone to wood and the stability of resin. I did try soaking wood scraps in resin, but it didn't end up as a harmonica comb. I suspect the process is a little more involved.
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nacoran
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Jun 07, 2012
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Billy, Wailer, I can't find a link between DuPont and Union Carbide (the company . Dow purchased Union Carbide in 2001, taking on some of their legal responsibilities, but I can't find a link to DuPont. I could be wrong. Can you find me a link? I can find references to other corporate policy issues, but you can do that for most companies.
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There is one DuPont product I use often: Stren fishing line. This is because it is made in America - just a personal choice.
My question is, if we are boycotting DuPont because they PURCHASED Union Carbide, are we researching all the goods we buy that are made in China to make sure that they weren't produced by a state-owned business - I would say Union Carbide has a far better record of not oppressing and killing people than the government of China - or are we just buying those cheap goods without thinking about it. I'm asking this question seriously - I boycott Chinese products whenever possible for this precise reason.
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Steamrollin Stan
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Jun 08, 2012
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nacoran
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Elk, except that from what I can see DuPont didn't even buy Union Carbide. Dow did! I did find that after the Union Carbide disaster DuPont wanted to open a chemical plant in India, but only if they could be indemnified against the kind of lawsuits Union Carbide faced. All companies try to get off the hook for any messes they make, or think they might make. That's sadly the nature of business.
Other guys are making combs with Corian. It seems to be really suited for the job of making combs. It looks good, is easy to clean and is durable. I'm all for boycotting companies that do bad things, but I also think it's important to get our facts straight when we do. Yes, DuPont seems to have figured in getting hemp outlawed, but that was 75 years ago.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_history_of_cannabis_in_the_United_States
But that was 75 years ago. Around the same time Germany was invading all of Europe. We don't call for a boycott of modern Germany (well, I suppose you could if you were upset with their handling of monetary policy in the EU).
I wouldn't even be hard on them for defending their trademark. That's part of our trademark system. If you don't defend it and the word passes into common use instead of just referring to your product you can end up losing your trademark. It happens all the time. After a patent expires all you can do to defend your brand name is keep making a good product and protect your trademark.
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Jun 08, 2012
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harmonicas are fine the way they are, corian doesnt make them play better. if the look of corian gives you a hardon then you seriously need to take up going out on saturday night and trying to get laid more often.
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wheezer
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Jun 08, 2012
10:32 AM
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Mr Payne, I do believe you have given us the name for composite combs. From now on I shall always refer to that group of materials as "tone bone". Should anyone query what "tone bone" is I shall refer them to you.
Tone Bone, just another reason to love this forum!!
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nacoran
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Jun 08, 2012
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Billy, a flat comb plays better, so people buy customs. They have to be made out of something, so why not Corian? My poor old car (currently at the garage) when it's paint was shiny and new, had metallic flecks in the paint. It didn't make it go faster, but it sure made it look pretty. There is also something practical to be said about looking into your harp case and being able to see at a quick glance which harp is which.
Of course, you could do that with plastic or wood too.
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Jun 08, 2012
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so why dont harmonica makers have dupont make the combs?
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Jun 08, 2012
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I like reading your stuff, Billy, I always get a good chuckle, you keep it real and tell it like it is.
The reason they don't make the combs is they won't make them. You can't even buy Tone Bone from them.
Back before I opened Elk River, I was going to open up an Internet flyfishing supply operation. I had discovered this incredible substance for tying flies that was made at the DuPont Washington Works plant in West Virginia (where Stren fishing line used to be made) It was a very fine nylon strand that was diamond shaped in cross section, thus threw off a very unusual shimmer that looked just like the flash of a gizzard shad and it moved in the water beautifully... I could go on and on about how awesome this stuff was.
The amount I would have had to buy for DuPont to even sell it to me - I would have been more than I could have sold in five lifetimes. DuPont made this stuff for Purdy paintbrushes and I never could track down the paintbrush that used that material, so I could cut the bristles off and obtain the material that way. Thus, my flyfishing supply operation never took off. I was going to call it Elk River Flyfishing Supply or something. I had a lot of other ideas for material, but that DuPont stuff would have been my flagship material.
I was going to buy old fly reels on Ebay and restore them (the only reel I ever use is this Pfleuger single-action from the 1940s) and sell them. Had big dreams. Now I'm getting all pumped up about it again... maybe I ought to restore antique reels and put them up on the site.
But anyway, my point is, you just can't buy stuff from manufacturers.
On the thing about comb material giving people hard ons... I think I saw the disclaimer that for any tone bone lasting longer than four hours, consult a physician.
My main gig case looks pretty cool with the harps in there, there's one pearwood, one rosewood, two resin-impregnated birch (the B-rads, I never was allowed to say the actual name of what everybody knows that wood is) two combs made from 800-year-old American Chestnut wood, two plastic, one Rosewood, one unidentified wood Randy Sandoval comb, one Randy Sandoval tone bone comb, one maple, one unknown South American wood, one pearwood and one more plastic I forgot to count with the other two and that's just the main case.
It gets really boring to me looking at the same kind of harp for every key.
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didjcripey
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Jun 08, 2012
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@Gene: quite right about Monsanto; I had my evil empires mixed up for a moment there. Nonetheless. I believe Du pont are still pretty big in agribusiness and biocides.
(gotta find profitable uses for some of the most toxic byproducts ever made).
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billy_shines
520 posts
Jun 08, 2012
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ok seems gene and didj are on the (A) side and the other shameless capitalists are on the toxic $ludge is good for you side. hmmmm so what really is so horrible about the marine band comb? poison wood?
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