Cleatusjr
5 posts
Mar 19, 2012
12:23 PM
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I wish Adam would follow his own rules. I'm sick of going to web sites and places and seeing all the hate. Talk shows are talk shows, they are all the same, some are controversial and others aren't.
I thought this was a religious and political free zone, But Adam the "king" of the web site keeps adding threads that talk about those things.
I find it to be a little hypocritical.
BOTH SIDES of the political system ARE CORRUPT and WE ARE ALL SCREWED IF WE CAN"T GET ALONG AND PUSH FOR TRANSPARENCY IN GOV. Your a FOOL if you think these rich 1% politicians on what ever side have your best interest!!! You are a pawn in a game to keep the people down. You all fall for it. look at the hate being spewed by each side. This is by design to keep us from talking about the true problem: TRANSPARENCY IN GOVERNMENT AND BIG BUSINESS. ALL problems lead back to this issue.
I don't feel like I'm welcome here or many other places because I'm am a libertarian, and feel I have to keep my mouth shut, or be attacked for my views in a free country. The tolerant left has no tolerance for people like me. I get blamed for everything Bush did, or what Rush said, or what Fox news said, and Im sick of it.
Thanks for the lessons but no thanks on your political bias.
GOOD BYE
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sammyharp
172 posts
Mar 19, 2012
12:26 PM
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Well, too bad for you if you can't look past your own poitical bias enough to just IGNORE things on the forum that get your goat. See ya!
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Frank
426 posts
Mar 19, 2012
12:28 PM
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Life's a bitch, then you die - I did't right the rules :)
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FMWoodeye
271 posts
Mar 19, 2012
12:29 PM
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OOOOHHH, NOOOOOO!! You seem upset. Please don't hang yourself or do something else that....well, never mind.
That was quite entertaining. A video would be nice.
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timeistight
470 posts
Mar 19, 2012
12:38 PM
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Life's a beach; here's mud in your eye! I didn't wrong the rules. ;>
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easyreeder
256 posts
Mar 19, 2012
12:51 PM
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You forgot to take your ball.
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toddlgreene
3599 posts
Mar 19, 2012
12:52 PM
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Heck, I barely knew ya, and now you're going. Fair winds and following seas to ya.
If something you read rubs you the wrong way, read something else. As soon as anything remotely political crops up, I press on and read/post elsewhere. You only have yourself to blame if you let a complete stranger's words on a web site bother you.
Can we keep your ball? All of ours either roll to the left or the right. Yours rolls straight down the middle.
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Frank
427 posts
Mar 19, 2012
1:01 PM
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Life is to teach - so continue to try...
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the_happy_honker
108 posts
Mar 19, 2012
1:04 PM
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You're going to be mighty lonely if you can't take others viewpoints every once in a while.
One lesson that life is pretty good at teaching is you gotta lighten up. An angry young man is a good thing. An angry old man is a tragedy.
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MrVerylongusername
2294 posts
Mar 19, 2012
1:05 PM
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Kind of the difference between saying "That's it I'm gonna end it all - don't try and stop me" or just slipping off quietly and ending it all. He ain't gone - he's just lurking.
I know you'll read this Cleatusjr. Why not just ignore the politics and stick around for the learning?
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timeistight
471 posts
Mar 19, 2012
1:07 PM
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Life's a peach: let's bake a pie! I didn't write the fools ~(_8^(I)
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Joe_L
1807 posts
Mar 19, 2012
1:21 PM
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Cleatusjr - I completely support your thoughts on this topic. Personally, I don't go to harmonica forums to read about people's political beliefs. I don't really care about how Kim Wilson feels about politics or Rush Limbaugh.
It's a violation of the forum creed and a poor exhibition of "leading by example." However, it is Adam's forum and he pays the bills.
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Honkin On Bobo
1026 posts
Mar 19, 2012
1:33 PM
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1. Adam justified at the beginning of the thread why he thought it was relevant to the MBH forum, I thought his explanation was reasonable, didn't think he was being hypocritical in any way.
2. I'm politically an independent myself, and while I agree that political "debate" in the US (as well as actual governance for that matter) has absolutely been hijacked by the extremes of both ends of the political spectrum, just tune it out if it's going to get you that riled. Seriously, there aren't any magical changes anywhere on the horizon, stewing in your own anger ain't gonna fix it, it's just gonna make ya miserable.
3. Five posts and you're making the dramatic exit??? I'm out??? Fine, so be out. (that actually should go for anybody..if the forum ain't makin' it for ya..just don't come back, no need for drama..the MBH forum should be bigger than any one contributor).
4. I don't see how anyone made you not feel welcome here. Nobody would even know your politics if YOU didn't bring it up.
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Frank
431 posts
Mar 19, 2012
1:38 PM
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"Wish" in one hand, crap in the other - see which gets filled up the fasted?
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nacoran
5406 posts
Mar 19, 2012
1:49 PM
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I will treasure each of your 5 posts as the gems I'm sure they were.
Adam prefaced the thread well. In the grand scheme of things, the acrimony on the thread was pretty low keyed, and when it was clear it was heading into dangerous territory it was locked. Will you just stop posting or would you like me to officially strike you from the rolls?
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jimjam
47 posts
Mar 19, 2012
2:15 PM
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You pretty much nailed the problem on the head Cleatusjr. It was nice to meet you, however briefly.
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eharp
1761 posts
Mar 19, 2012
2:51 PM
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nice to see every one just cold shoulder someone with a grievance.
i cant find the sarcasm button.
cleatus- i agree with not wanting to get into a political or religious debate on ANY forums. i usually skip thru the threads that bring these topics up.
if you enjoy the rest of the threads, i would suggest doing the same.
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easyreeder
258 posts
Mar 19, 2012
3:47 PM
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"nice to see every one just cold shoulder someone with a grievance"
Yeah, especially since they so carefully avoided political commentary while complaining about political commentary.
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LittleBubba
205 posts
Mar 19, 2012
4:21 PM
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I completely understand the sentiment expressed by the poster. Our jam group also has a rule about not talking politics or religion, and it gets broken occasionally.
I'm the only Christian in a group of 7 guys, which puts me on the odd side of some discussions when they happen, but overall, whether I agree or not, I tend to try not to contribute to those kinds of discussions..hoping that we'll get back to playing music.
There are situations where discussions about those things can help somebody else mold their opinions, but they're rare and trust has to be widespread.
Politics is a topic that's become more polarized than ever, in the U.S. I especially don't talk politics at church.
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garry
184 posts
Mar 19, 2012
4:55 PM
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when i see a thread start, or become, political, i just stop reading it. i am very interested in political topics, but don't care to read them here. why? because i've come to know the folks here in a different context, and when the thread turns political, i am too often disappointed in where their heads are at in that regard. so i prefer to live in blissful ignorance of your politics and enjoy (or not) your viewpoints on harp topics. it's like sexual orientation: i don't care who you sleep with, i don't care who you vote for. tell me about your music.
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Greg Heumann
1537 posts
Mar 19, 2012
5:24 PM
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I am so good at not reading stuff I don't give a shit about. I thought everybody did that.
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Willspear
88 posts
Mar 19, 2012
6:13 PM
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Getting worked up over stuff on the Internet is silly
It's not like there is a fox news stream on the site :o
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eharp
1763 posts
Mar 19, 2012
6:29 PM
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sorry, greg. i got to the "i am so good" and realized it was more fabrication!
lol.
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nacoran
5408 posts
Mar 19, 2012
7:32 PM
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"nice to see every one just cold shoulder someone with a grievance."- eharp
If they had started the post out questioning why we had a politics thread and said they were upset that it might be causing problems I would have tried to address their issue, but they said they are quitting. That seems like they have already unilaterally fixed the problem they were having and since they weren't asking for redress of their problems, just stating that they were taking their toys and going home.
I was flippant and I wouldn't want anyone else who was knew to the forum to feel we weren't going to respect them, but if someone goes from zero to taking their toys and leaving after five posts and one thread even if we talk to them into staying around they will probably threaten to leave over the next thing that comes up.
So, in case CleatusJr wants to actually discuss the issues, here is my take, point by point.
-He's sick of going to websites and seeing all the hate. Fair enough. Adam made a post about a political act by a famous harmonica player. He asked us not to go all crazy. Some people got all crazy (certainly not tongue block vs. lip purse crazy, but full moon crazy none the less.) I didn't seen any signs that anyone was going to permanently hate another forum member for what was said.
-The forum creed bans religion and politics. Well, actually, it just bans religion, although this particular political point had some religious overtones and we do tend to avoid off topic politics.
-This makes Adam a hypocrite? Not at all. The ban isn't an ideological ban. It wasn't put in place to censor one side or the other. It was put in place because people argue over it. Adam pays for the site. His name is attached to it. If he wants to post naked pictures of himself all over the site he can. (Please don't though, Adam!) There has always been an exception regarding topics if they are topical. You can discuss how to play Amazing Grace even although it's a religious song. Even if politics was banned, you could discuss it if it had something to do with harmonica (there was a thread about Hohner giving discounted harmonicas to the Occupy people; it turns out they will give discounted harmonicas to lots of NPO's if they ask.)
-There needs to be more transparency in government. Well, that's clearly politics, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say I think people in all parties, even if they have different opinions on what it means, would at least agree in principle to that.
-The 1% in both parties in each party are all out to keep you down. Well, that's not what Adam's post was about. He didn't weigh in on birth control, just about Kim Wilson's response to Rush repeatedly calling someone a slut and prostitute.
-You are a libertarian and you get blamed for whatever Bush or Rush or Fox News said. I'm not sure I'd call any of those sources libertarian. Just as a matter of categorization, without discussing the merits of any of it, I would call all three of those sources conservative.
-You don't want any of Adam's bias. That's fine. I think the better minds in the both the liberal and conservative wings as well as the libertarians would all agree to your right to free association. You are free to get upset with someone else's free speech. There are certainly people who get my blood to boil. You seem to imply (and again, that's covered by your free speech rights) that he'd be better served by not exercising his free speech. You are welcome, just like Rush's advertisers, to pull your support for someone because of their ideology, but whether you intended it or not, you sound more like someone who is upset that someone has a different opinion than them that there was a political discussion. If you were just upset with the political discussion it was probably easier to just avoid that thread.
-You started a new thread to express your political views and to say that you didn't think political views should be discussed. If you'd posted the same comment in the offending thread I would have probably just left it alone, but you felt the need to make a melodrama out of it, which goes back to the previous point that it seems to be more about disillusionment than anything else.
-All this after 4 previous posts. The first thread you actually started was to tell everyone you were leaving.
Still, we all have bad days. :) I once said I would never use a smiley face sarcastically, so for accuracy, I'll call this one out as semi-sarcastic, but only semi-sarcastic. We all do have bad days. I've certainly walked into threads on websites and felt like everyone was out to get me. After looking around I usually realized there were a few other people like me around and either decided to move on or to bond. I've even had friends (gasp) with wildly different political view points. We'd have frustrating discussions about politics every now and then. Sometimes we'd argue to sharpen our own points. Sometimes we'd argue to find common ground. Sometimes we'd argue just for something to do. Sometimes we'd decide we'd had enough arguing and find something we did agree on like harmonicas. That's the great thing about threads. The one important thing I always try to encourage everyone is that we don't let animosity flow from one thread to another. If you get in an argument on one thread, don't carry it to another. It's sort of like our version of the 'never go to bed angry' rule. If you follow it it's very easy to ignore one thread you don't like. :) <----- back to the totally sarcasm free smiley face.
Now I think I'm going to blow off some snark at Fark. Happy harpin' everyone.
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billy_shines
268 posts
Mar 19, 2012
7:44 PM
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well voodoo crossroads etc is right on blues topic. so are negro spirituals. im gonna go ahead and talk about them until adam says knock it off. hes the king we are his loyal subjects.
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jbone
832 posts
Mar 19, 2012
8:03 PM
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cletus we may be kindred spirits in 9our views, i don't know. but if you can deduce all that from being a here such a short time, good on you. if you don't care for this forum you have options. one would be to have a discussion with the owner and see if you could get some changes made here. another is to start your own forum. yet another would be to just find other forums where you are more comfortable.
lucky you weren't here a year or 2 ago. we had some real bad m-f's running around here flaming the place out. funny but i somehow missed a lot of that since i refused to even read posts by individuals i found to be toxic or unpalatable to my taste. i still avoid some posters and some posts if i don't see the point by reading a title.
fact is, it's a free country and a more or less free forum. we as a group have cleaned up our act a lot in the past year or so and i respect those who have stepped up and become more community minded. it shows and it's good.
a forum is like a person in a way, it's a work in progress. if at a given time you don't like me, you can say something, ask a question, avoid me, or completely go away. you can confront things you don't agree with if you wish. you can express an opinion. or you can go somewhere you feel more appreciated.
i don't know if you are a harp player at all, but to me the primary mission of a lot of us here is to share questions and answers and experiences around harmonica playing. that's our purpose or it's mine and at least several others'. i don't talk politics or religion here or other forums since it's a recipe for disaster.
i respect that we all have certain beliefs, i hope you respect that i don't care what yours are, only if i can teach or learn from you as a musician. maybe you offer great custom harps, good mics, amps, cases, whatnot. maybe i do. maybe we like the same artists or can turn each other on to those we don't know yet.
hey, it's a great way to pass the time until they take us all away.
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billy_shines
270 posts
Mar 19, 2012
8:20 PM
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i agree like an AA meeting you dont like a meeting change it cant change it start your own.
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Jehosaphat
200 posts
Mar 19, 2012
8:52 PM
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I don't live in the US but i am a news junkie and grew up on a diet of Hollywood.'Til i was 11 or so i thought all Americans were either Gangsters or wore Stetsons.(I've also got an awesome collection of Indian books incl a limited edition of Edward Curtis' amazing photographs)I digress.
The OP joins a site dedicated to the Harmonica
reads an OT post and proclaims to us all that he doesn't agree with the politics expressed here.
So i read into that he would agree to stay if we all had the same views as him?
There is some serious irony at work here.
If everybody has exactly the same Political views we'd all be living in either a Communist state or a Nazi one.Not good options IMO
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kudzurunner
3115 posts
Mar 19, 2012
9:26 PM
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@cleatusjr: My post on Kim Wilson and Rush Limbaugh broke no rules. It broke news. Politics is not, in fact, mentioned as a verboten topic in the forum creed. And I was extremely clear, in both my initial post and a later post, to note that what I was sharing was unusual and significant news about a leading blues harmonica player's public denunciation of the leading conservative talk show host's comments about a particular woman. I encourage others to share that sort of news, regardless of the political inclination of the famous blues harmonica player who is making such news.
I locked the thread when it was clear that the news had been shared and the thread was veering towards non-newsworthy political venting. Again: following my own rules for keeping this place relatively civil.
It gets tiring, frankly, trying to hold down the sensible center. Yes, it is true that in my OP on the thread in question, I gave a very brief endorsement to Kim Wilson's actions. This doesn't make me a hypocrite. In fact, it's entirely in line with the forum creed, which DOES state that "misogynist diatribes" are not welcome here. Rush Limbaugh's smearing of Sandra Fluke--a smearing that he himself later decided was stupid, and apologized for--is an excellent example of a misogynist diatribe. So when a leading blues harmonica player puts distance between himself and the leading conservative talk show host because that host has engaged in tasteless misogyny--hey, you go, Kim! You're one of us.
Curt, I have indeed followed my own rules. Your criticism are off base. Go in peace, my friend.
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billy_shines
271 posts
Mar 19, 2012
10:29 PM
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great job adam well worded i nominate you invisible dictator of the secret society i started that is going absolutely nowhere http://www.livebluesworld.com/group/ordo-templi-ventus-cithara?xg_source=activity
peace brotha!
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Steamrollin Stan
317 posts
Mar 20, 2012
1:13 AM
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Holy harmonica's........just learn how to play the harmonica, mouth organ, tin sandwich, gob iron, stuff the politics, im in Australia and if i wish to get political then i may go to a political site, this is Adams website and if he wants to get political then he can, and if we dont like what he says then dont read it, just focus on the harp. The end........lol.
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Sarge
139 posts
Mar 20, 2012
10:32 AM
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Hey Stan, you forgot french harp in your list.
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atty1chgo
274 posts
Mar 20, 2012
10:46 AM
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@ Cleatusjr - I guess I must be one of those "politically biased" people. Well, the fact is there are probably very few right wingers among blues harmonica players, although as to libertarianism, I cannot venture to guess. It is unfortunate that you could not overlook the very occasional post that somehow causes blues harmonica and politics to collide (I think that this was probably a first). Personally, although I believe that people who believe in and support Rick Santorum and his ilk, including Rush, have mental health problems and serious psychological issues, I always defend someone's right to speak their mind.
If you consider my last rant to be "hate" speech, then your political correctness seems to be overwhelming your proclaimed libertarianism. And if you were so damn offended politically, and so naive to think that people on this blog would let their political views overwhelm and subjugate their love for blues harmonica, in a future situation where you and they might interact on THE REASON WHY WE ARE HERE, then you didn't belong here in the first place.
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Greyowlphotoart
973 posts
Mar 20, 2012
10:55 AM
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What are folks political leanings on the harmonica?
Do TB's take a stance on the far left or the far right?
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Frank
443 posts
Mar 20, 2012
11:02 AM
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Little Walter was a "Conservative Harp Blower" though very Liberal when it came to Execution of musical ideals...So that makes me INDEPENDENT :)): Though I lean Center Right when it comes to the really important issues concerning the harmonica!
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Cleatusjr
6 posts
Mar 20, 2012
12:49 PM
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I just want to apologize for my misreading of the rules. I thought political speech was banned on the site. I am sorry for my mistake.
I was just piss off about all the talk about silly comments while others go unchecked. No one in the thread really said any thing that bad. The thread was locked to prevent just that.
Also I never said I wanted people to shut up I just thought a rule was broken. Again I made a mistake and I'm sorry.
I thought about it a lot and read the comments made by forum members and realized banning the forum was dumb, becouse I like the site. Banning Rush is dumb for the same reason. People who like Rush will still listen to him and people who already do t like him don't listen any way.
I am sorry to all forum members and especially Adam.
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Kingley
1895 posts
Mar 20, 2012
12:56 PM
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Cleatusjr - I wouldn't sweat it. People make mistakes all the time and on the internet it's very easy to misread peoples intentions, etc. For what it's worth I think it took some guts to apologise. I hope you stop around.
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toddlgreene
3605 posts
Mar 20, 2012
12:56 PM
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I'm a semi-moderate conservative who plays harmonica liberally. I don't judge others for their beliefs, other than to say they're all wrong for what they think if it differs from my beliefs and they're all a bunch of morons.
Tongue firmly planted in cheek here.
Glad you decided to stick around. We're mostly good folk here, except for that Kingley character. Keep an eye on him.
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Kingley
1898 posts
Mar 20, 2012
1:04 PM
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"We're mostly good folk here, except for that Kingley character. Keep an eye on him."
Hahahaha! Thanks Todd! :-)
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Libertad
48 posts
Mar 20, 2012
1:26 PM
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I have to admit I am very left winged with my harmonica playing rarely going above the first six holes.
Glad to see you are sticking around.
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nacoran
5411 posts
Mar 20, 2012
3:00 PM
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No harm no foul.
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easyreeder
259 posts
Mar 20, 2012
3:10 PM
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@Cleatusjr
Way to step up. Welcome back.
Now, start a new thread. Maybe we'll talk about the harmonica. ;^)
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billy_shines
274 posts
Mar 20, 2012
3:11 PM
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you mean faux news? im a centered harp player until i blow a ride then i get possessed and jump off the harmonica map.
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Buzadero
951 posts
Mar 20, 2012
6:38 PM
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Cletus. If you're a drinkin' man, the first one's on me. It takes a load of solid to come back with your head held up and stand for the effect of your cause.
Anybody that knows me can tell you my political leanings. I have them, I believe strongly in both those and my religio-philisophical beliefs. But, I'm not a salesman, a crusader, nor a zealot. Mine are mine.
I have very close and precious friends that cover the full range of all facets of beliefs. I learned long ago that I can shortchange myself from knowing some awesome individuals if I let differences start the formation of gaps. Those gaps grow and before long you've lost.
Bravo, Cletus.
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timeistight
479 posts
Mar 20, 2012
6:47 PM
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@cleatusjr: I'm curious. If you "thought this was a religious and political free zone," why did you sign all your posts with "God Bless the U.S."? Isn't that both religious and political?
And what kind of libertarian would ask a deity's blessing for a central, federal state?
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Kyzer Sosa
1051 posts
Mar 20, 2012
6:58 PM
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I admire a man who isnt afraid to voice an opinion, and most certainly one he believes in all the way down to the core. Even if it happens to be the least popular. There are just as many legitimate facts on any side of a political or religious fence, that neither party can deny the truths right in front of their eyes. Its all that happens in our lives that build the framework that house our own beliefs. And which ones are more important to us than others...
Im a lot like you in some ways, cleatusjr.
No worries, Youre always welcome to come sit on this big ole front porch and speak your mind.
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SuperBee
143 posts
Mar 20, 2012
7:40 PM
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I'm no longer surprised by the posts which generate the most activity.
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laurent2015
61 posts
Mar 21, 2012
8:57 AM
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There's however a patent connexion between harp and politics.
To play, our lips are of service,
but politics don't pay lip service.
Yes, I know ====>out.
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jbone
839 posts
Mar 24, 2012
9:31 AM
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cletus, thank you for stepping up and apologizing. i for one appreciate that attitude of open mindedness that shows.
so- what can we do to help you with your musical endeavors sir? please tell us about yourself a bit, where you're from, where you're at with music, likes, dislikes, good tales?
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unceded
8 posts
Mar 24, 2012
2:24 PM
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This is a slice of heaven compared to say... Youtube where the feedback is awful to put it nicely. It's difficult to not care when your a passionate artist. I think adam has put together a great site and a useful forum. Glad to be welcomed here.
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