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Tired of dealing with most people
Tired of dealing with most people
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waltertore
1948 posts
Feb 07, 2012
4:22 PM
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I prefer to speak of feelings over things. Most people I meet prefer to talk of things over feelings. Exploring where we are in our life, our dreams, hopes, disapoints, are we happy, what is love, truth,, morals, viewing the world as one big family, fears, joys, doing meaningful work for the betterment of the world, turns me on a whole lot more than talking of worldly things. This has led to a fairly isolated social scene as the years go by. I have less and less interest in spending my life around people who retreat from this stuff and it seems most people live in the world of things over feelings/self reflection. It use to make me blue but now I am thankful to not have that kind of energy around me. Here are a bunch of songs about it all. Walter
link to the songs
dylan, scorcasses, charlie sexton and me
falling further from your heart as the years go by
your life is as you stand right now pt1
your life is as you stand right now pt2
the older I get the more I retreat
wish I could meet more people following their dreams
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walter tore's spontobeat - a real one man band and over 1 million spontaneously created songs and growing. I record about 300 full length cds a year.
" life is a daring adventure or nothing at all" - helen keller
3,500+ of my songs
continuous streaming - 200 most current songs
my videos
Last Edited by on Feb 07, 2012 5:05 PM
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lor
81 posts
Feb 07, 2012
6:57 PM
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I spend my working days on an ambulance, mostly taking people from one hospital or nursing home to another or to a doctor or a radiation treatment or a cancer chemotherapy or a blood transfusion or a dialysis treatment. Very few of them can walk anymore, some can't even talk Sometimes I pick them off the pavement smashed and bleeding from some horrific accident.
You know what I see most of all beyond every depressing thing?
People's courage, faith, determination, good humor, and love of life. Bold in the face of tragedy.
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Miles Dewar
1185 posts
Feb 07, 2012
9:18 PM
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I see what you mean Walter. But I strongly disagree.
"Worldly things" -to me- include natural things, such as our surrounding environment and plants/animals. No talk of worldly things means no talk of insects. That would not be an ideal world at all. ;)
But I see what you are saying. Things like feelings/emotions, love, morals, and other mental processes are the biggest mysteries on Earth. The human brain is one of the most complex structure in the universe, and the physiological events in our body don't even compare to the complexity of the processes that make up the human mind.
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The Gloth
622 posts
Feb 08, 2012
11:20 AM
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The name is "Scorsese", by the way...
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rbeetsme
617 posts
Feb 08, 2012
11:54 AM
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Small talk can lead to bigger things. A lot of people prefer to not talk at all, no one benefits from that, except maybe the husband.
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waltertore
1950 posts
Feb 08, 2012
4:22 PM
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I will let my songs speak. Walter
most people I meet aren't very happy
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walter tore's spontobeat - a real one man band and over 1 million spontaneously created songs and growing. I record about 300 full length cds a year.
" life is a daring adventure or nothing at all" - helen keller
3,500+ of my songs
continuous streaming - 200 most current songs
my videos
Last Edited by on Feb 08, 2012 4:23 PM
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shanester
481 posts
Feb 08, 2012
5:00 PM
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I totally agree with that sentiment, Walter. That is actually a favorite inquiry of mine!
I think people's unhappiness is directly proportional to where they be "reasonable" rather than pursuing their dreams. I think our dreams are the calling from the creatively divine within ourselves. They are our "special purpose".
I'm clear that you are doing your dream and I am doing mine. It's not without its rough spots but after the initial commitment it drives itself!
For instance, music has always called me, but how I grew up, it wasn't fostered (no music lessons, except for a negative experience with a nun "teaching" me guitar for free at school). I always lived like it was something others got to have but not me, I have to do x...
A few years ago I got that really sorted out and my musical courage and capacity and frankly, joy in life boomed, and it is something I am joyously committed to, and occurs like an adventure.
I used to blame my wife (she just wants me to be a contractor workaholic cash cow), when really I was just to much of a chicken shit to fully commit to making being a musician part of my life! The ultimate truth is she wants me to be happy.
The surprising impact is that I say out of that, a very specialized niche that I have in construction, rammed earth, seams to be beginning to boom for me after 10 years of nothing, and it is the one aspect that I love, because it is ancient, massive, and makes me feel like a kindred spirit to the pyramid builders, and it is one of the few niches remaining in construction that is regarded as an art.
So now I get to have it all!
I am actually doing rammed earth in dallas although home, (which I recently saved from foreclosure thanks to rammed earth) is in Austin, and I've actually been away from home now for two years between Houston and Dallas.
Money is starting to work out although I underbid and lived for a month in a really harsh hood in Oak Cliff to get by on the first project. I just had my little door barred shut, my 22 loaded but not cocked and played harp and guitar.
Sometimes when I'm feeling isolated, I pull up KUT on the web and listen, or I check in on your music. Even though Austin was only a part of your journey, your music totally evokes it for me, and a sense of home.
I know Austin has changed a lot but I grew up there, and I forever will love it dearly and will stay connected to the spirits past present and future there for eternity. The more I travel, the more I feel it!
Anyhow, thanks for doing what you do and being what you be!
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Shane,
"The Possum Whisperer"
Shane's Cloud
1shanester
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LittleBubba
178 posts
Feb 08, 2012
5:28 PM
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Walter, you know I'm a fan of yours, but if pursuing my life's love resulted in driving a wedge between me and most people, I might reconsider my attitudes.
I don't know if your posts are a form of venting with the people who are most apt to understand you, but I still detect a hint of bitterness in some of your remarks. Are you really happy with the choices you've made?
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waltertore
1951 posts
Feb 08, 2012
5:37 PM
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Shanester: I can relate to your story. Music was never allowed in my house. I had to run away to follow my dream. I also can relate to finding a career that can support your art. Teaching special education has supported my music since I left austin(got my degree at SWTSU). I use to think this meant my music career was a failure. Now I have come to realize I have no pressures on me and have all the gear I always dreamed of when I played full time. I can play my music just as it comes out with no filters or concerns about acceptance, etc.
Austin will always be home in my heart. I would love to get down there and play a few gigs. I dream of doing a black cat lounge reunion weekend at the continental club. There are still so many musicians there I miss- speedy sparks, mike vernon, jim starboard, will/charlie sexton, rich minus, and a bunch of others.
I watched the dylan video posted here recently that was paying honor to martin scorceses. It kind of hit me- dylan was playing. He found my music via timbuck 3 who use to come to all my black cat lounge gigs, charlie sexton on guitar (played with me in austin), scorceses in the audience with all the big movie stars. Robbie robertson wanted me to play on the soundtrack for the movie The Color of Money. Michael Been of The Call hung out till our last song one night at the hole in the wall. No one was there and Jamie my bassist and Jimmy carl black was on drums and we basically played to michael. He introduced himself(I had never heard of him or the call) and I thought it all was a joke- robbie robertson asked him to look me up when they played austin and get me to play on the soundtrack. I said no because I would have to rehearse and play certain tones, riffs. So I was tying my shoes getting ready to pedal my bike to work at 6:20 am as the video played. It was sort of surreal- off I went to work with mentally disabled students, no one knows I am a musician, and here were the guys I hung with doing a million dollar gig.......... But I am following my dream and that is the greatest feeling I know. Walter
little bubba: I hate the net for these misrepresentations, misinterpretations. I am very happy with my life and my choices. If I had done the "big deals" that came my way I would had to abandon spontobeat and that would be no fun at all. Yes, I wish spontobeat would get accepted but most new ideas get ignored in the art world. The older I get the more I realize how I do music is a complete anti statement to how western music is done in all generes and over all of western recorded history. Some people improvise some, some do it instrumentally, but no one I can find is doing both words and music in an american roots context everytime they play. There is always a game plan going into a gig, recording session, a songwriting session, etc. This is isolating and frustrating at times but I have learned to accept I am loner due to it. I basically have no peer group to relate to. Most people tell me they understand but they really can't unless they are following a similar path of doing music in a way that no one else is. I am not complaining but these shoes are ones one has to walk in to understand. If I did the traditional approach of write, rehearse, repeat, record, perform the song over and over, I would have a huge community to relate to about the ups and downs in any genre of music out there. Doing something different seems to scare most people. This relates to this- when I talk to most people and I try to share feelings most vamanos pretty quick like most music people do with spontobeat. It is like a hair outside their definition of how life is is like being on another planet - very sad to me such stuff. It makes for iron clad boxes that people put things in and nothing can exist outside them. Sure I get sad but I reel back to the moment. All is good if I stay in the moment.
the only thing I would change if I could was to have made it to Les Pauls garage sale. Back in the early 70's I saw an ad in the local paper saying he was selling stuff out of his house over the weekend. I begged everyone I knew to drive me. I wasn't old enough to drive yet and it was a good 15 miles away and no buses ran that way as I could figure. What would I change? I would have walked to his house :-) Other than that I wouldn't change a thing cause then I wouldn't be me.
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walter tore's spontobeat - a real one man band and over 1 million spontaneously created songs and growing. I record about 300 full length cds a year.
" life is a daring adventure or nothing at all" - helen keller
3,500+ of my songs
continuous streaming - 200 most current songs
my videos
Last Edited by on Feb 08, 2012 6:07 PM
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shanester
482 posts
Feb 08, 2012
6:55 PM
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I want to be at the Black Cat Lounge reunion!
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Shane,
"The Possum Whisperer"
Shane's Cloud
1shanester
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JInx
172 posts
Feb 08, 2012
7:43 PM
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After reading your posts, it does seem like you are depressed.
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smwoerner
33 posts
Feb 08, 2012
7:55 PM
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It is easy to be a monk on a mountain top. I am sad you find it tiring dealing with most people as they make of most of the world we live in. They are also the ones who most often need compassion and understanding. Very few realize how precious each moment is and thus do not know what they spend every day.
It may be that people talk of worldly things because they are not fortunate enough to know or have other things to talk about. You yourself talk about living a fairly isolated social life. Are personal connections, and being a positive force not the best gifts we can give to the world. Grand aspirations will never have the impact of the smallest act of compassion.
We do not need to be told of our self centered nature. It is something we all struggle with. We need others to brave the hurricane we feel swirling around us, to stand beside us and to walk with us. This is how we learn to walk and share with others.
Tiring no, exhausting yes. It’s much like teaching music. Those willing to endure the noise are the ones who help others to harmonize.
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kudzurunner
2983 posts
Feb 08, 2012
8:57 PM
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When I was reading a lot of New Age literature and attending the Interfaith Fellowship in NYC back in 2000-2002, I was intrigued by the way that certain principles showed up in many different faith traditions, including the idea of reverence, prayer, the spiritual community, loving-kindness, etc.
One principle that showed up a lot was the principle "like attracts like." This meant that people end up being surrounded with the energy they're actually giving off--although they're not always aware that they're giving off this energy. (Which means that people often have shadows that they're not fully conscious of.)
Walter, is it possible that you're giving off an energy that you're not fully conscious of, and that the people you claim not to be surrounded by and not like--the materialistic ones--are responding to it?
During those long years that I spent in bars, I became familiar with one particular kind of person: the person who'd had a few too many and who buttonholed you and began, angrily and joyously, to tell you the story of their life. They always quickly moved into the main course: the fact that their life was an unending string of assholes. Everybody in their life was an asshole. I'd be tempted on hearing about the first asshole to take their side; by the time they reached the fifth or sixth asshole--ex-husband or -wife or -GF or -BF or ex-boss or neighbor or "so-called friend" or musical rival--I'd begin looking for a diplomatic way to make my exit. I extrapolated a general principle from my hard time as a bar-fly: When somebody tells you that somebody has betrayed them, somebody has probably betrayed them. When somebody has told you that everybody in their life has betrayed them--and our good friend Jason Ricci once told me this--then there's probably more to the story than that.
All by way of saying: I come into contact with many people in the course of my daily life, and I haven't encountered the phenomenon you're talking about. I don't find myself surrounded with people who seem focused on material things. I'm surrounded by people who talk and care about ideas; by musician friends and producers who enjoy fraternizing, shooting the shit, and who, although they're fascinated by the business of making a living at music, don't confuse that with the important stuff.
You've taken a genuinely radical approach to music-making, and I respect you for it, even as I see its problematics quite clearly: you've essentially sworn off music-making for live audiences, preferring, like Glenn Gould, to make music for yourself and your recording studio--even though you're also heavily invested in recreating your audience here, by posting here on a daily basis; and you don't repeat songs but rather create each new song freshly, which means that if somebody here said, "Hey, I like THAT song, please come to my town and play THAT song," you'd tell them "Sorry! I don't do that."
You're a true musical radical in those two respects--you make music almost exclusively for yourself rather than for live audiences; and you refuse to commodify your songs--but you also clearly need to share your music with an absent audience (us) and what you're sharing is something we can listen to repeatedly as long as we don't actually expect you to play it (a particular composition) for us in person. In other words, your music-making is radical, but it's also riven by two huge paradoxes. You'd like us to grow attached to your process, but you'd cringe if we heard the result of your process--a specific song--and said, "That's a hit! Take it on tour!" You'd think we were trying to commodify you. You'd think we were being materialistic! But suppose that was just our way--a fairly normal human way--of liking you as a musician?
Suppose, in the course of your spontobeat compositioning, you stumbled into a hit? Suppose you sang the song that captured the feeling of our moment with such power that every DJ picked up on it and you were an international star. Suppose people wanted you to tour the song and share your live presence with them--that song and whatever else you felt like doing. Would that be your heart's desire or your worst nightmare? If people were so moved by your song that they wanted to hear you play it live--the melody, the words, the sound of your guitar and harp--would that feel to you as thought people were commodifying you? Or truly grooving to you as a musician?
Apropos of nothing, Chuck Mangione was famous for saying of "Feels So Good," "I put four kids through college on that song." Does that musician's anecdote make you chuckle, or wince? Is Mangione one of the materialistic people you're trying to escape from? Does that comment make clear, to you, that he and you have entirely different conceptions about music? Some might say that his statement reveals a father's loving heart. It all depends on how you look at it.
So where's the shadow? Why are all these materialistic people finding their way to your door? Are they truly materialistic, or does it just feel that way to you? I don't have the answer. I'm just asking the question, since you've shown up here with proclaiming your frustration with a significant aspect of your world. If this forum is for nothing else, it should be a place for serious discussion of important issues.
Last Edited by on Feb 08, 2012 9:17 PM
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nacoran
5210 posts
Feb 08, 2012
9:50 PM
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Walter, don't feel alone! There are other people out there creating lyrics on the fly. I'm just not sure they are in the blues world. Slam poets and rappers often come up with new material right up on stage. Improv comics do to. I don't think your desire to constantly reinvent is all that unusual, just the fact that you've settled down in a genre that doesn't have that tradition. Sand painting Buddhist monks wipe away their masterpieces when they are done.
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waltertore
1952 posts
Feb 09, 2012
3:26 AM
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I appreciate all the responses. I do have friends but have basically been a loner most of my life. My best friends are ones I have known for most of my life. I enjoy walking down to the village here and sitting with my dogs on a bench. People come up to me all the time. We talk and usually it is a deep conversation. I am known as a social person. Believe it or not I get invited to lots of parties, people stop their cars on the street to say hi, and people regularly come by my studio from around the world.
I am not tired of people, but reflecting on my life being closer to ending than begining. I realize time is the most valuable thing there is and I am being shown that how I spend it really does mean much more than I have thought it did. I am redifining my life in many ways. Life is a journey of learning. We all have shadows and for me, life is about coming to peace with them. I have been in therapies, martial arts, meditations, most of my life and, as the buddists do, try to stay in the moment. All is good in the moment.
I do play live and love it. In fact I was just contacted this morning by a photographer who took pictures of everyone who was anybody in austin in the 80's. His work is in the UT library and now some backers want to make t-shirts of them. I have been asked to submit songs about austin to them. Playing live is so special to me that I will only do it in places that create a vibe that encourages listeners and performers to interact. In plain speak- clubs like there use to be- a stage, small dance floor, tables behind it, and music is the focus, not food, coffee, or other things. Give me a place like this and I will play everynight! For spontobeat to work I need to be around people that want to get involved with the process. Conversely, being a backround thing makes for nothing with spontobeat. I have learned it is much better to stay in my studio and invite the good spirits in than to being playing live in places that are not interactive.
As far as a hit goes. If I had one it would become famous by radio airplay not me playing it. I have had numerous offers that would have catipulted me to the some sort of fame. One was being persued for several years by the president of BMI to sign with them. If I did I was assured a hit record basically. All I had to do was stop spontobeat and follow the music rules for a hit song. they even had song ghost writers ready to polish my what he called "raw but unique ideas". I would sing and no guitar and maybe a little harp. All this happened when we were dirt broke. I said no without hesitation,not out of principal, but simply because it didn't sound like any fun. To be immersed in the best instruments, musicians, touring conditions, audiences that love you, and be playing stuff that didn't turn me on resulted in the sensation of a knife going through my head so I said no.
I still hope someday to meet people that improvise 100% of what they do, 100% of the time, no repeating for money or fame......... Thanks. Walter
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walter tore's spontobeat - a real one man band and over 1 million spontaneously created songs and growing. I record about 300 full length cds a year.
" life is a daring adventure or nothing at all" - helen keller
3,500+ of my songs
continuous streaming - 200 most current songs
my videos
Last Edited by on Feb 09, 2012 3:52 AM
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kudzurunner
2984 posts
Feb 09, 2012
5:14 AM
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That's an eloquent statement, Walter, and it makes clear that you're a people-person in the ways that count--at least in my book. I asked the questions above because I, too, for a hunk of my young life, made entirely uncommodified music--improvised street music. Satan and Adam didn't even a name or a recording for the first four years: we were just two guys, Mr. Satan and his white boy, playing on the street and sending all that music into the air. We didn't have a recording to sell. We'd never been in a studio. We created our music freshly each day, made lots of "mistakes" in public--we never rehearsed--and had a great time. It was a healthy life! My friends all thought I was insane. My musician friends sorta got it, but some didn't. I was a fan of Jack Kerouac and knew that he'd gone through a period where he sat by a candle, wrote one page of spontaneous prose at a time, then fed the page into the candle and burned it up. That was his way of assuring himself that it was pure writing, 100% improvised and 100% non-commodified. No best-sellers or "hits" there! It was spiritually uncompromising and didn't make "sense" in some conventional ways, but it was his way and in some ways it made great sense. It purified his motives and his practice. I sense your spiritual kinship with that sort of approach. But yours is yours, not Kerouac's, and I respect it. Emerson would say that true originals always astonish, unnerve, and--if we let them--inspire us. I don't discount your ability to do some of all three!
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LIP RIPPER
557 posts
Feb 09, 2012
5:58 AM
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The older I get, the more I understand a recluse.
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waltertore
1953 posts
Feb 09, 2012
7:38 AM
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Hi Adam: thanks! corresponding via the net is rough at times. Being in the flesh is my preference. I remember you guys on the streets. I often wondered how a young white guy survived. Harlem was pretty rough back then. I too have spent a lot of time playing the streets. IMO it is a must for all musicians to explore throughout their lives. The unpredictable nature of it makes for a wonderful palette of improvised music. Kerouac has always been an inspiration to me. If my wife dies before me I will most likely burn all my recordings and delete all my songs on the net. The thousands of reel to reel tapes, cassette tapes, adats, dats, cds, mini discs, will most likely make a spectacular bonfire and add to global warming :-) We have no kids and from what I have seen of how artists work is handled after their deaths makes me contemplate putting this in my willl How it is handled- often times sleezballs that would never give them the time of day while they were alive make fortunes off them when they are dead- is a crime.
Time is winding up- that song by babe stovall the street singer from NO who played a national- is always playing in my head. Walter
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walter tore's spontobeat - a real one man band and over 1 million spontaneously created songs and growing. I record about 300 full length cds a year.
" life is a daring adventure or nothing at all" - helen keller
3,500+ of my songs
continuous streaming - 200 most current songs
my videos
Last Edited by on Feb 09, 2012 7:41 AM
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ianharpo
83 posts
Feb 09, 2012
9:38 AM
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All the same I'd like just once to hear you do a cover of one of the blues standards
:-)
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waltertore
1955 posts
Feb 09, 2012
10:51 AM
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ianharpo: I might take you up on that someday. Sitting down to learn the words and such just doesn't hold my interest but if it does happen I will surely do it. I did lots of covers starting out playing with bands. My spontaneous songs were not welcome and I wanted to fit in so I did the covers and enjoyed them but once I got into the songs I usually went off into improvising lyrics. It got me in many arguements with the bands. I have a recording of one from the 70's on my soundclick site- nine below zero-link below. It was done with one mic in the living room and no pa. the only things amplified were the guitar and bass, and very lightly at that but it captured the live feel we had. I was a bundle of energy back then and the song shows that I think. My hormones were pumping so it really doesn't sound like SBW much. Most players today try to sound like old men when they aren't. IMO one should play with the energy of the time in their life. If I did this song today it would be much more akin to the SB version cause Im getting closer to be an old man :-) Walter
My band from teh late 70's covering 9 below zero
here is one with a real band from this summer- funny what 35 years of playing and living does and doesn't do to ones sound.......
granpas rocking chair
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walter tore's spontobeat - a real one man band and over 1 million spontaneously created songs and growing. I record about 300 full length cds a year.
" life is a daring adventure or nothing at all" - helen keller
3,500+ of my songs
continuous streaming - 200 most current songs
my videos
Last Edited by on Feb 09, 2012 12:59 PM
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JInx
173 posts
Feb 09, 2012
11:08 AM
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waltertore
1958 posts
Feb 09, 2012
5:38 PM
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here are some from tonight. Walter
niles fuller an austin sun of a gun
living this technology world
facing my parents dying
pain pt1
pain pt2
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walter tore's spontobeat - a real one man band and over 1 million spontaneously created songs and growing. I record about 300 full length cds a year.
" life is a daring adventure or nothing at all" - helen keller
3,500+ of my songs
continuous streaming - 200 most current songs
my videos
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shanester
485 posts
Feb 09, 2012
6:35 PM
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Hey Walter,
The more I think about you coming to Austin, the more exited I get!
I think you need to make a return to Austin! I'd love to support you in reuniting with folks, and I would love to see you play in Austin again. You've got a rightful place in Austin music history, and it's time for a bump of that glory.
We should get video or photo montages from old performances with your music on ME TV.
I've got a good feeling about it!
Oh and someone from the Salt Lick just called because they are interested in building a 40 x 70 foot banquet hall with earth from their land, can you believe it?
Somethings in the air and the money's starting to come back at least in some places...
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Shane,
"The Possum Whisperer"
Shane's Cloud
1shanester
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waltertore
1959 posts
Feb 10, 2012
3:43 AM
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shanester: I like what you are saying! An Austin trek would be great for my soul. I haven't been back since we left in 96. I just need someone to book a few gigs. Summertime is best because I am off work. If you get the itching to do it or know someone who might want to go for it. If not the ball is rolling in the dream realm and will come to pass at the right time. The hole in the wall, stubbs, continental club, are places I played that are still there. I think most of my other regular places are long gone. Money is not a big factor. It would be wonderful to do a 1 man band set and then have a sort of open mic for players I knew come up and jam. I bet mark rubenstien would drive down with me. He lives in Columbus and was my keyboard, bassist, drummer, for many years down there. Niles Fuller was the photographer that asked me for songs about austin. He is in the process of putting his photos of the austin scene to t shirts.
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walter tore's spontobeat - a real one man band and over 1 million spontaneously created songs and growing. I record about 300 full length cds a year.
" life is a daring adventure or nothing at all" - helen keller
3,500+ of my songs
continuous streaming - 200 most current songs
my videos
Last Edited by on Feb 10, 2012 3:43 AM
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shanester
486 posts
Feb 10, 2012
6:32 AM
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I've got the itch! I figured summer would be a good time, what's the best way to keep in touch?
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Shane,
"The Possum Whisperer"
Shane's Cloud
1shanester
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bluemoose
676 posts
Feb 10, 2012
9:45 AM
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(I'm SO glad this turned out to be a thoughtful, intelligent, informative discussion. When I first saw "Tired of dealing with most people" I thought 'oh no, another I'm mad as hell and stomping off into the sunset' post. :)
PS. I've added a Walter Tore entry in the MBH webbrain and linked to a smattering of his posts for easy reference. Haken vids as well.
MBH Webbrain - a GUI guide to Adam's Youtube vids
FerretCat Webbrain - Jason Ricci's vids (by hair colour!)
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waltertore
1960 posts
Feb 10, 2012
10:57 AM
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shanester: Thanks so much! I will pay you the current agent rate (whatever it is I don't know) if you find anything. Maybe contact will sexton, speedy sparks, mike vernon, george carver, larry monroe(is he still around?). You probably know more people than me nowadays. My summer calendar is wide open. I may have a wedding to play in Reno, NV, but that is it so far. Walter
waltertore at sbcglobal.net
thanks bluemoose! that is one high tech slick page you have going there!
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walter tore's spontobeat - a real one man band and over 1 million spontaneously created songs and growing. I record about 300 full length cds a year.
" life is a daring adventure or nothing at all" - helen keller
3,500+ of my songs
continuous streaming - 200 most current songs
my videos
Last Edited by on Feb 10, 2012 12:34 PM
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Miles Dewar
1190 posts
Feb 10, 2012
11:00 AM
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@Bluemoose, Definitely a useful section.
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gene
1017 posts
Feb 10, 2012
12:44 PM
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"...I prefer to speak of feelings over things. Most people I meet prefer to talk of things over feelings...."
I read your post and I'm too anxious to respond to read all the way through those other posts.
I feel pretty much the same way, except I like to talk about feelings AND things. The people around me seldom talk about feelings. I consider them to be very shallow. That "feelings" thing: I really don't have anybody to talk to, and I feel very alone when I need to "talk." Sometimes, I'll ambush somebody, put a bag over their head and tie them to a chair and make them listen. How satisfying is that?!
And besides that, the people around me aren't interested in the same "things" I am.
"...People come up to me all the time. We talk and usually it is a deep conversation. I am known as a social person. Believe it or not I get invited to lots of parties, people stop their cars on the street to say hi...."
I consider you to be a very lucky man. I'm the guy who can come and go, and nobody gives a shit.
Ha! I guess this is what they call syncronicity. This very thing has been bothering me deeply for about 4 months,now. And in the past few days, I found somebody on Facebook...A VERY SPECIAL somebody that I knew almost 40 years ago. She's very insightful, very intuitive, very wise, and very deep. And she's just made of pure goodness. I've been trying to reconnect with her. I've received no response, and I'm not embarrassed to say that I just cannot keep my face dry, lately. I'm in agony.
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Michael Rubin
427 posts
Feb 10, 2012
2:08 PM
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Gene, you sound pretty down. We can talk if you like. Michaelrubinharmonica@Gmail.com
Sounds like therapy might be a good idea though.
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gene
1018 posts
Feb 10, 2012
2:50 PM
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THANK YOU!!
The offer is very heart-warming, but I need to talk to people around me (especially the one referenced above who is 1,000 miles and 40 years away)--You, therapy, priest....Just not the same.
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arnenym
35 posts
Feb 10, 2012
3:33 PM
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JInx-. Yes, but don't we all feel like that sometimes?
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didjcripey
192 posts
Feb 11, 2012
3:21 AM
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@arnenym; pretty rarely, and certainly not when a semi naked gorgeous redhead is looking longingly at me
BTW jinx, nice choice. I love Waterhouse's art (might have something to do with the women)
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Lucky Lester
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gene
1019 posts
Feb 11, 2012
3:17 PM
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"..., you sound pretty down...."
LOL
Yeah, it's pretty bad when you listen to Tom Waits to cheer you up.
:D :D :D
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shanester
488 posts
Feb 12, 2012
8:34 AM
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Probably is Michael. Most find it easier to kill off someone else than to generate something from their own heart and stand behind it.
The guys in Oak Cliff call that hatin'.
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Shane,
"The Possum Whisperer"
Shane's Cloud
1shanester
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gene
1020 posts
Feb 12, 2012
11:58 AM
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The picture? I thought it represented discovering one's self.
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HarpNinja
2153 posts
Feb 13, 2012
10:31 AM
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Narcissism - rather than being interested in the hot naked chick, he is staring at himself.
If it was about something else, I don't see the reason to have her in the painting.
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Mike
VHT Special 6 Mods
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas - When it needs to come from the soul...
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gene
1021 posts
Feb 13, 2012
2:01 PM
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Oh. I thought it was Adam & Eve.
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gritsncatfish
34 posts
Feb 13, 2012
3:33 PM
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Your self imposed isolation is probably why you do what you do, Walter. You have to play music that people actually want to hear, in order to play for people. That includes playing songs that people know, Walter. Not some made up on the spot song that you'll never play again. Go ahead and do what you do if it makes you happy, but don't try and validate that to others who actually play out in public for PEOPLE.
>This has led to a fairly isolated social scene as the years go by. I have less and less interest in spending my life around people who retreat from this stuff and it seems most people live in the world of things over feelings/self reflection. It use to make me blue but now I am thankful to not have that kind of energy around me. Here are a bunch of songs about it all.<
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waltertore
1972 posts
Feb 13, 2012
4:09 PM
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gritsncatfish: You may not be aware of this - I played 200+ live gigs around the world for 20 years doing spontobeat. People dig what I do. Many buy cds as well knowing the songs on it were done once and never will be performed again. Getting the industry to get with it never worked very well. They prefer to put products onstage that do like everyone else. It maximizes the profit to investment because it is less effort to promote similar stuff than somebody doing a different approach. That is just straight business fact. I finally got it that the music business is just that. Artistic stuff comes in second to profit.
Musicians, many of them greats in the rock world, helped me with opening slots, promoting me, etc. They and a few cool clubs that gave me house band status for most of those 20 years, kept me afloat more than the industry people. They were into fitting me in one of their established boxes and when I resisted they moved on. I also played hundreds of gigs with the blues greats as a bandmember. I still play out but only in situations that will bring in a listening audience that will interact with the music.
I also don't actively book myself anymore. That has pretty much stopped the train dead in its track. I booked the band, had my own record label, did all the publicity, etc, and this was done before the interent or cheap phone rates. I dealt with many different countries via the phone. That cost a small fortune and often language struggles made for mistakes in pay and such. It was a 24/7 life that I had to keep rolling or it stopped. Most people have no idea how consuming this is and on top of that trying to get a new approach to playing music accepted led to me just plain running out of gas with the business end. I never have stopped playing. In fact I probably put in more hours of actually playing now than at any other point in my life. Travel, bookings, promotion, took up most of my time. A few hours onstage had dozens of hours behind it to make it happen most times. Now I just play and stop when I want.
I am now waiting for the right person(s) to take over this end. I have no competition. Simply stating how I do music makes for a unique story. No need to hype me with words of greatness as to my playing, how fresh an artist I am, my background, how fresh and cutting edge my songs ar, and all that printed hype that goes hand in hand with promoting an artist. That is the good news and I am in no hurry. Things work in their own time and like I said having no real competition means there is no need to make it happen right now because so and so is similar to me and they are hot. That is how the industry works. When the T Birds and Omar and the Howlers were getting big in austin I was approached several times with proposals that if I got with repeating my songs things would happen. I ignored and kept on my thing just as I do today. If my time comes again in my lifetime great. If not that is great too because I have a pretty darn nice life! Thanks. Walter
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walter tore's spontobeat - a real one man band and over 1 million spontaneously created songs and growing. I record about 300 full length cds a year.
" life is a daring adventure or nothing at all" - helen keller
3,500+ of my songs
continuous streaming - 200 most current songs
my videos
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gritsncatfish
35 posts
Feb 14, 2012
10:18 AM
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Walter: I'm honestly not impressed with your crowing about all the gigs you've done "back in the day". That was then - this is now. You have no competition because there's zero demand for what you do. Nobody wants to hear songs that are made up on the spot. The music industry will never get with what you do. You can certainly do whatever you want with your life and music - but by continually trying to certify it here, you only make yourself look ridiculous.
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Honkin On Bobo
932 posts
Feb 14, 2012
10:57 AM
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The above painting is of Narcissus not Adonis. Narcissus was a hunter in Greek mythology. Known for his unbelievable beauty and excessive pride, he shunned those who loved him. Nemesis, knowing this, lured him to a pond or pool where he saw his own reflection and fell in love with it. Unable to leave the reflection, he died.
I'll leave it to Jlnx to explain why he found it relevant to post it where he did.
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waltertore
1974 posts
Feb 14, 2012
10:58 AM
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gritsncatfish: New ways of doing music tend to upset dull minded players and always have. I am not aware of your musical resume. I would enjoy reading/hearing it. I would not like to put you in that group so please share your music and resume. I will respect you as a player when I hear what you do. Until then you are just another cyberspace somebody of nothing but words on a screen. I lived a musicians life and continue to. I share as simply as others share trying to bend a 4 hole or a new amp they just bought. I share my musical life because I am pionering a new way to do music. I am driven to do this with no goal of self greatness or acolades. Whether it makes it or not in my lifetime is not the goal. Sharing it is because it might turn someone else onto this way of doing music. I have upset people throughout my career. It goes with the turf and I take no offense to your displeasure. Walter
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walter tore's spontobeat - a real one man band and over 1 million spontaneously created songs and growing. I record about 300 full length cds a year.
" life is a daring adventure or nothing at all" - helen keller
3,500+ of my songs
continuous streaming - 200 most current songs
my videos
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gritsncatfish
36 posts
Feb 14, 2012
11:08 AM
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>I am pionering a new way to do music.<
Or maybe you're just a garden variety nutcase?
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toddlgreene
3520 posts
Feb 14, 2012
11:11 AM
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Moderator hat on.
grits-you're violating the forum creed.
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Todd L. Greene
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Frank
212 posts
Feb 14, 2012
11:16 AM
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grits, Walter's legite - if your wise you'll QUIT...
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gritsncatfish
37 posts
Feb 14, 2012
11:35 AM
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Ok, since there are no PM's here - if WT wants to list his email here, I'll be glad to continue this discussion with him in private. If WT has the right to post a thread like this here, I have also have a right to call BS on it.
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toddlgreene
3521 posts
Feb 14, 2012
11:45 AM
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Agreeing or disagreeing can be done in a much more civil manner than calling him a 'garden variety nutcase'.
Please exercise a little more tact and civility.
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Todd L. Greene
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didjcripey
196 posts
Feb 14, 2012
12:09 PM
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Very dignified and classy response, Walter.
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Lucky Lester
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waltertore
1975 posts
Feb 14, 2012
12:29 PM
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todd: thank you for intervening.
gritsncatfish: I have no interest in continuing our conversation. Your vibe is one of attack and anger. That doesn't promote communication for me. Peace and I still would like to hear some of your music. Walter
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walter tore's spontobeat - a real one man band and over 1 million spontaneously created songs and growing. I record about 300 full length cds a year.
" life is a daring adventure or nothing at all" - helen keller
3,500+ of my songs
continuous streaming - 200 most current songs
my videos
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