SBS harps are 14-holers(I have one). I don't know if they are still made, but everyone I know who owns one got it from Ebay, or have owned one for many years. ---------- Todd L. Greene
hell no, hondo. but if you want to be in the same category as me- "lazy" - throw your own self in. (a bit of a puzzle how a lazy person throws anything, huh?)
it is a steve baker special. 14 hole harp with the extra holes on the low end as opposed to the regular 364 with the extra holes up high. this allows the easy bending on 2 octaves. rockin' ron sells them for $76.
no biggie, hondo. btw- ebay- low F- 3 hour left- $25!!! http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hohner-Harmonica-365-SBS-Key-F-Low-/120763549358?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c1e1186ae#ht_513wt_1398
Last Edited by on Aug 20, 2011 9:51 AM
Understand this about the 365, Hondo-it incorporates a high and low octave of whatever key it is in. On my A SBS, the first 4 holes are the normal A, the from 5 hole on, it's like a High A ten-holer-which is REALLY high-if you'ver heard a high G, it's more shrill than that. I'm not sure if all the SBS keys are like this, or instead have a lower ocatve for the first 4 holes, then continuing on to the normal key's octave setup. I'm sure someone else on here owns one.
EDIT:A la Eharp, I did my own research: A and G are setup like mine, then they make the LOW tunings. See the link below: http://www.hohnerusa.com/index.php?29 ---------- Todd L. Greene
Well, unless you want to completely restart your scale again 4 holes into it, I'd say so.
Don't get me wrong, the SBS is still useful, but the 364 should be an easier transition for a 10-hole player;just two more holes on the high end. ---------- Todd L. Greene
if i read that right, todd- only the sbs above the key of A use a lower octave on the lower 3 holes and the extra 4th hole is at the high end, right? it sounded like the karate kid was playing a low G, though. any insight on that?
Yes, that's right, some low tuned key(I don't have perfect pitch nor a harp handy to verify if it's G or not). She isn't playing an SBS-that's probably either a 364 or 365. If it was a SBS you'd hear the scale start over in a different octave after the first 4 holes. ---------- Todd L. Greene
This makes it sound like all keys have a lower octave, which is what I think eharp and I are hearing and would make eharps comment about Low G sound right.
I think between the Hohner USA and the German one you can find all the models they make currently (although maybe they have some other top secret site) :)
I think everything has been said, but Hondo, I think they don't all have the lower octave. I did some unlazy (very much against my nature) searching on the german website (go to the source right? Use those language classes). So here is the final word to the matter!:
It states there that the normal 364 AND 365 are only available in low C and G major. If you look at this chart: http://www.hohner.de/index.php5?654, you'll find that these have the extra holes added on the top end (if I understood right that is, but I figured that if the 5 draw on a C is an F, it's basically the same as a normal harp). The 365 SBS has the really cool layout with the 2 'bluesy' octaves (e.g. a 5 hole draw which is in G). They are - as mr. Greene added - not in a low tuning in A and G, but in C, D and F they are. The A and G do have the advantage of the double-crossblues-fun thingy.
As to the contention that ms. Plas is playing a G harp: if you look at her cheeks (and why shouldn't you, quand ils sont si belle!), she's inhaling on the 2draw, giving us G. Somewhere around there, you hear a lower note. Would beat me if it wasn't a C!
So she is playing a C already. The reason why she switches harps might be that she has the normal 365 and wants to play a blues in 2.pos in G. It's states C pretty clearly on the cover of that GM.
Makes sense. Why buy a SBS in C if you already have everything up from the 4 hole. Well: so you don't have to switch harps I'd say. I'm definitely getting me one of those! If you want to go to the 6 blow equivalent, you want that to be high notes, so for me, it's the SBS.
There's only one gamebreaker though: does anyone know if the round thing is a nail or a screw? Looks like a screw to me (like the ones they use on a sp20 or MBD). I'd really like to know! Could anyone please answer that question?
Last Edited by on Aug 20, 2011 12:22 PM
Well, come to think of it, the SBS does not allow you to tongue-block octaves in the lower regiment... Perhaps I'm not getting one. Would be nice to have it in F though, as sort of a compromise between playing a low-F and an F when the tune is in C, which I find to be a difficult decision.. Does anyone have any tips on that dilemma?
Still have to get me a low C 12 hole or 14 hole to finally be able to play bye bye bird though.. The video of Hondo just woke that desire.
I just looked into it again, and found that of course you're right. You can tongue-block octaves on a SBS. In fact, you get a 2-5 draw octave, whereas you don't get that with normal tuning (which I never realized! That explains why the 2-5 chord seems to pull you to the 3-6 for resolution I guess). It will make it harder to go to a 456 draw chord.
Following mr. Greene's link I found that the normal 365 actually has the strange top end which doesn't seem that useful to me (or needs figuring out at least), as it's an unfamiliar note-layout. I hadn't realised before. Kind of defeats the purpose for it other than for a long time being the lowest harp in the Hohner assortment (not totally sure on that one!).
For me, that means I'll just buy a low C if I want to play Bye Bye bird. Same notes. Perhaps Rice Miller couldn't get a Thunderbird when he recorded it :). That would be more expensive than a 364/5 in low C though, which is somewhat funny.
That Low F SBS still has some pulling power on me, since it will make the playing in C more interesting. On the other hand. Much of the C songs I run into is swing stuff, which isn't really begging for low solo's anyway. Argh! Decisions are hard.
I somehow just want one either way because they look rather manly. Gives you the power to make the "mine is bigger" move, which is just cool. It just is.
I have to weigh in as I have an SBS in C and it ROCKS!! The lower octave is like caramel, although I have lightly tweaked it and added a nice hardwood comb from Randy. True the high register is not so useful but only really the top hole. & @ FreeWilly.....do you mean the coverplate screws?.. if so, it's a posi drive :~}
