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waltertore
1126 posts
Feb 26, 2011
8:42 PM
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I have a video on my soundclick site that has gotten over 50,000 views. That hit me. Back before internet if 50,000 people checked out your stuff you would be a major recording artist. Today this number means virtually nothing. This kind of gave me a huge window into how much the music world has changed in such a short time. People are spending most of their music time on the net instead of seeing it live. I don't have a gig on the calendar. All I can say is wow. I am speechless. Walter
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walter tore's spontobeat - a real one man band and over 1 million spontaneously created songs and growing. I record about 300 full length cds a year.
" life is a daring adventure or nothing at all" - helen keller
2,600+ of my songs
continuous streaming - 200 most current songs
my videos
Last Edited by on Feb 26, 2011 8:47 PM
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PaulM
128 posts
Feb 27, 2011
5:54 AM
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Walter, congratulations. It's all a matter of perspective. I think 50K is a great number. I've spent the last three days in a hospital bed and have enjoyed listening to lots of on-line videos including yours. Thanks for sharing them.
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waltertore
1127 posts
Feb 27, 2011
7:30 AM
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Hi Paul: I hope you are feeling better and it was nothing serious. I am glad my videos helped you pass the time! The thing that hit me with the 50k number was just how the music scene has changed. It is almost hard to believe that just a decade or two ago the usual way to see a band (that was not not a major label hit or a top roots music act) was to see them live. This massive shift in how most computer savy people of the world now view music floors me. I think in time this era will be seen as a major turning point in how small venue/regional act level live music mutated to a screen and will show a direct correlation with the demise of small to mid size venues (100-300 people) dedicated specifically to live music. This was the size club that most all regional and touring blues bands lived off and local bands would fill the weekday and opening slots hoping to break out to the regional level and someday headline with a full house on the weekends. Below this level was the local bars that featured music. Here is where the local bands would develop. It is kind of like the minor leauge system/college sports system (that produces pro athletes) of music is almost dead. Walter
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walter tore's spontobeat - a real one man band and over 1 million spontaneously created songs and growing. I record about 300 full length cds a year.
" life is a daring adventure or nothing at all" - helen keller
2,600+ of my songs
continuous streaming - 200 most current songs
my videos
Last Edited by on Feb 27, 2011 7:45 AM
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Joch230
436 posts
Feb 27, 2011
7:36 AM
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Walter...I made a couple of YouTube vids a couple of months back and one I think made it over the 100 views mark...most likely from my mom and her friends watching it! So 50K views is pretty damn impressive to me!
-John
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waltertore
1128 posts
Feb 27, 2011
7:42 AM
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Joch230: The 50k number is just a number in cyberspace. It doesn't connect to what traditionally would happen with such numbers- a promoter would come around, then the press would jump on it, then a lot of touring regionally, then nationally. Next a label would pick up the artist and worldwide touring would kick in. Like I said this massive shift in how music is viewed floors me. Walter
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walter tore's spontobeat - a real one man band and over 1 million spontaneously created songs and growing. I record about 300 full length cds a year.
" life is a daring adventure or nothing at all" - helen keller
2,600+ of my songs
continuous streaming - 200 most current songs
my videos
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Hobostubs Ashlock
1418 posts
Feb 27, 2011
12:46 PM
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I got though reading a artickle,on becomming a professional,and they said that the internet has changened some musicians view of how to make it big,But in reality it hasnt changed anything that the old school basics are still a must,It said that its far better from a record labels view of a artist,if they have 5000, fans in a local region than,that number fans around the world,Duh that makes sence,because there more interested in how yo can fill a show and sell merchandise,that the basics still need to be done as of build a local crowed,and play alot of local venues and build from there,and not get caught up in the well im known around the world cause of the internet,if the local people dont know who you are its not going to impress the big people,thats just what I read but it makes sence,It said play shows and get local fans
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Hobostubs
Last Edited by on Feb 27, 2011 12:47 PM
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Hobostubs Ashlock
1419 posts
Feb 27, 2011
12:53 PM
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I guess i didnt need to read the artickle cause thats what Walter been saying for years ;-)
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RT123
84 posts
Feb 28, 2011
4:21 AM
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Walter, I hate to burst your bubble, but 50,000 people didn't listen to your song. I liked it so much I listened to it 50,000 times. Just kidding! Congratulations. That is a milestone for anyone. Very cool.
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tookatooka
2176 posts
Feb 28, 2011
5:51 AM
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Hey Walter, if you can constantly get high click rates like that, you could possibly become an affiliate on YouTube and earn from your click through by allowing YouTube to advertise on your YouTube channel. Get some money for your art.
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waltertore
1129 posts
Feb 28, 2011
6:18 AM
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Hobostubs: What I am seeing is a rapid decline in local venues and the shift to this internet to showcase "live music". Very strange. It reminds of the Native American Ishi. He was the last native american still living the old ways in the hills around orville Ca. He was brought to stanford, given a job as janitor, and displayed his native american ways. When he was shown an airplane flying and then shown one on the ground he could not believe it was the same thing up there in the air.
RT123: Thanks. I do appreciate so many people have checked this video but what I really am is confused like Ishi.
tookatooka: This video is the only one that has that kind of views. People get paid for such things? Wow. Walter
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walter tore's spontobeat - a real one man band and over 1 million spontaneously created songs and growing. I record about 300 full length cds a year.
" life is a daring adventure or nothing at all" - helen keller
2,600+ of my songs
continuous streaming - 200 most current songs
my videos
Last Edited by on Feb 28, 2011 6:25 AM
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Cristal Lecter
56 posts
Feb 28, 2011
12:37 PM
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Youtube is NOTHING in the end, I've got a bunch of videos that are above 150 000 and a total of 4 million 400 000 views...And I'm still stuck in a room doing them.
These clicks are nothing compare to "real" life and real contact with the people
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Hobostubs Ashlock
1421 posts
Feb 28, 2011
12:42 PM
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Walter Im sure it has changed,My friend that moved back from Austin,said the music scene was changing there,But the band i played some harp for 2 years ago,that i wasnt ready for;-)There playing all the time in a 4 state areea,but there young around 25 and they play progressive acoustic rock amplified,and they relocated to the city in tulsa got a manager and work work work,But they are younger than us and dont play blues,Im getting old and just would like to try some live gigs the half dozen i have done were fun,free beer and a couple bucks for playing cant beat that for something to do,It seems like theres alot of gigs around where i live but,there either country and classic rock bar gigs or original rock type stuff,thats why Im working on busking and selling vegitables at the farmers market,I want to get used to people looking at me weird as I try to play;-)I have a hard time playing the guitar in front of people but give me a harp and a band ill show my ass off all night good or bad ;-) I dont know why,I think the music scene is changing,and were changing ,change is always happening,But you Sir have done things that,people like me would love to exsperience,And maybe the change is good for your situation,You have another job thats important to you,you have a dream studio you always wanted,you control when and what you play,and get to release to the world,You might just need to find a small gig that you can play live once in a while.then what else would you need,As for what I feel, there will always be a venue for live music,although they might not be interested in the music we play,but that wont stop them or us.The interenet gives us a place that,allows for the taste of many and not just what the mainstream music world wants,I also think busking might provide that to,maybe;-)I think the key is to have a primary job,and play on the weekends.now where's my aplication;-)
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waltertore
1133 posts
Feb 28, 2011
12:56 PM
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Hobostubs: Your words are true! I am blessed.
Cristal: I have checked out a lot of your stuff posted here. In the day of clubs, you would have been right up there. In fact what you said here kind of summarizes what I am talking about. Here you are with millions of views. That would have put you in the Beatles catagory back in thier day. Here I am with hardly any views and no gigs, but back in the days of live music I was able to pull off approx 200 gigs a year for 20 years. The internet diluttes everything down to the point that one could have worldwide reconiziton like you do and still be sitting in a room playing to a wall. It is nice that we get to hear people that we never would have before. That is a good thing. Like I said before this shift in the scene is really shocking to me. Walter
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walter tore's spontobeat - a real one man band and over 1 million spontaneously created songs and growing. I record about 300 full length cds a year.
" life is a daring adventure or nothing at all" - helen keller
2,600+ of my songs
continuous streaming - 200 most current songs
my videos
Last Edited by on Feb 28, 2011 3:37 PM
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