Arnoud73
75 posts
Feb 24, 2011
9:07 AM
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Hello harpers,
I have a question about effects...
For some songs with my band I use a line 6 rotary speaker simulator for lesley-hammond effect, a bit like John Popper uses it.
If I use it I play chords and octaves.
But because I can't play all chords of the songs I thought it could sound nice if I would use a boss oc 2 octaver.
This way I could play singe notes, hammond sound and the oc 2 would make it sound bigger......
Does anybody has experience with this idee ?
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toddlgreene
2652 posts
Feb 24, 2011
9:12 AM
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Jason Ricci has used the OC-2 for compression, turning down the octave effect to nil. I've messed with it on mine, and it does make a little bit of difference, but IMO doesn't warrant dragging another pedal out if I don't really need it, but YMMV-try it that way. There are octave pedals out there that are better-suited for harp.
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MrVerylongusername
1568 posts
Feb 24, 2011
9:49 AM
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The OC-2 does a nice job if all you throw at it are clean single notes. Any hint of a double-stop or chord and it get's all confused about which tone to track. I have an OC-2, since I got an EH POG it doesn't get used at all. POG, Micro Pog, POG 2 (if you've got the money) are all awesome for harp and cope brilliantly with chords.
Last Edited by on Feb 24, 2011 9:50 AM
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HarpNinja
1134 posts
Feb 24, 2011
10:36 AM
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Yes. Without a huge post explaining myself, I have been chasing this for year.
The L6 unit is ok...good for the price point. If you want a Popper-like sound, just use that. He uses a Motion-Sound amp for what he uses. The closest I've heard to that sound is the Rotosphere, but the DLS Rotosim is a good pick-up. A product ($500) called the Ventilator is the ultimate Leslie sim right now.
That is all you really need. I use the L6 M13, which has a rotary/drum that isn't as nice as the dedicated L6 pedal you have. I use that comping style all the time - in both of my bands.
If you want an organ sound, the POG2 will get you the best sound. The other EHX products would be right behind.
The Boss, or anyother monophonic octave pedal will create more problems than help. In fact, I think harmonica octaves sound better than any single note with pedal lines...even when using a POG like device. But, it sounds like harmonica with a rotary effect. If you really want to sound like a B3 with rotary effect, the POG2 (because of the multiple octaves and detune option)is the best pedal for that.
Regarding Popper, most of his rhythm parts are octaves with a little chording or partial chording. When he chugs or uses chords, he generally isn't using the Leslie effect. The effect is almost always used with octaves.
Listen to the John Popper Project CD to hear him use the Leslie effect a lot. I bet the new disc coming out on the first will have a ton too. Now that they have a keyboard player, his rhythm playing has really changed.
Popper uses almost all rack effects now - Eventide - and those units don't have an octave effect any better than the Boss stuff. The EHX stuff is in a league of its own.
I have never found any evidence of him using anything other than the Motion Sound amp for the Leslie sound. I've seen his old pedal board and know a ton about his gear, including his current BT rig, and have heard him play rhythm without the Motion Sound, but not with a different rig.
PS. In most instances, since you will almost always use just a fast rotary speed, most designated pedals will work just fine for that. It is the slow speeds that are hard to nail. Your L6 is fine.
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Mike
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas
Updated 2/23/11
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MN
53 posts
Feb 26, 2011
2:13 AM
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I incorporate a lot of organ-like lines in my playing, and I'm pretty comfortable playing octaves from the top to the bottom of a diatonic harp. I also sometimes use a tremolo harp for stuff like "When the Wind Cries Mary" and "Like a Rolling Stone" (I switch to diatonic for the solo). Anyway, given that, would a Leslie-type pedal without the octave pedal get me pretty close to an organ sound? With three kids and a mortgage, money's a little tight and I really can't justify a ton of money on toys.
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HarpNinja
1137 posts
Feb 26, 2011
8:29 AM
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You'll be fine. The L6 Rotomachine can be found used under $75. Just try to demo one first as it can add gain.
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Mike
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas
Updated 2/24/11
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JBharmonica
1 post
Feb 26, 2011
10:57 AM
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Harpninja has some great points. I use a Boss RT 20 and it does a great job. The best sim out there in my opinion.
Make sure to listen to organ comping to get ideas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8Cljp-1BzI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Clip of me using the RT 20
Harp on!
JB
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Arnoud73
78 posts
Mar 08, 2011
11:06 PM
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sorry for the late reaction, but thanx for your replay !!
Actually the more I use the Line 6 pedal the more I learn to get a good sound with it !
If I read about other rotary simulators then this one is very cheap !
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