Don't know about this particular pedal, but acoustic guitar processors can often be VERY good for harp. i think Norton Buffalo may have used an earlier version of this pedal or a similar pedal, but I'm not sure.
As far as I know Wheel from this forum uses this one with Electrovoice RE10, Audix Fireball and he likes this piece of gear very much for acoustic plaiyng. ---------- Excuse my bad English. Click on my photo or my username for my music.
I have one--don't use it much, but that's mostly because I've cut back on my use of pedals in general. The tone shaping controls can be useful with some mics and/or amps, has neat chorus and reverb features, the anti-feedback function is sometimes helpful, also provides impedance matching if you're using a high-impedance (ie crystal/ceramic) mic. But if you're considering it primarily as an anti-feedback device, I'd opt for something more purpose-built (ie Kinder AFB). Though IMHO, I'm a bit dubious about anti-feedback devices in general, if your amp and mic are set up properly and you pay attention to issues such as amp placement, etc, you probably won't need one.
I already have reverb and the amp has tone controls, and I have an impedence matcher. I'm not really interested in chorus, but who knows...I could end up liking it. The feedback thing is what I was interested in. I can control feedback with amp placement, though it's kinda awkward, as I only play in my bedroom.
I've wanted the Kinder anti feedback pedal, but I don't need to spend that kind of money. I keep checking Ebay, and I found the pedal above with a low starting bid, so I was interested.
MrDon said, "the anti-feedback function is sometimes helpful....But if you're considering it primarily as an anti-feedback device, I'd opt for something more purpose-built." So, Don, if I could get it cheap enough, would it make a useful toy for me or would I be disappointed?
Hmmm...That looks alright, but I'm thinking I could get that Boss pedal cheap enough, too...and have the option of playing with that chorus if I get the bug to.
But if that Boss doesn't help much with feedback, I'd have wasted my money.
@verylong: have you used the Shark? I've looked at it a couple times but I remember reading on the L that it wasn't suitable for use between mic and amp. Can you share your experiences? I had a Kinder but I didn't like what it did to my tone. I also have a Sabine, which is another "intelligent" notch filter like the Shark but it doesn't seem to do anything at all. ----------
Yes, I've used the shark. I don't use it anymore as I've found the 4x10 configuration on a Bassman to be far more feedback resistant. I also have the luxury of never gigging without a qualified sound engineer working the desk. The Shark is designed to go inline, i.e between mic and PA. Inputs and outputs are xlr and 1/4" and can be selectable between mic and line in any combination. No reason why it shouldn't go into an instrument amp - I did and it worked fine. The bigger rack unit "Feedback Destroyer" is designed to go in aux loop from a desk, or across the main outs. Great for PA if you haven't got time (or skill) to ring out the PA.
The Shark has some other features. The delay is not an effect delay, but for compensating for speaker placement in large systems - no use for harp. The compressor isn't the most musical, but the gate is useful and the "auto" feature for notching feedback frequencies is very good. The intelligent notch filter does exactly what it claims to do.
Bottom line: there are things everyone should learn about mics, amp settings and placement, room acoustics, effects settings etc... that will help reduce feedback. Sometimes though a room is just a nightmare to compensate for - the shark is perfect for that.
I found this demonstration of the pedal in my OP. The tone controls seem to have only a minimal effect. Same with the reverb. These do nothing an amp can't, anyway. The chorus seems weak and does not have settings other chorus effect pedals have. This guy never got around to demonstrating the anti feedback. I'll delete that Ebay link from my favorites.
I have one of these I picked up sometime back to use with some of my old limited tone control vintage amps.(Harmony,SoundProjects etc.)I primarily bought it for the tone control features,as far as the anti-feedback, it didn,t do much.The chorus wasn,t bad and the reverb was so,so.One box thats not mentioned here is the Roc-Tron Hush pedal(Blue)I,ve seen them for as low as $40.e-bay and I believe they,re around $70.new.They eat batteries rather fast so I,d recommend a power supply if you were considering a purchase.They alter the sound a wee bit but definitely help with feedback.
Funny how things work out. I wasn't really interested in chorus pedals, but this pedal I was looking at got me curious. I was more interested in anti feedback. I came up empty handed. (Reviews for the Rocktron were poor, so I passed.)
I was just browsing chorus pedals and found a Dan-Electro Cool Cat chorus pedal on E-bay. There was 5 minutes left before the auction ended......I won it for less than $30 (incl. shipping)!
I had enough time before the auction ended to look up reviews. I found 5 reviews.-All good. Any of y'all ever used it? What do you think of it?
Your original post said you were interested in an anti-feed back pedal .(or am I reading wrong,I,m not really interested in chorus )The negative reviews that you read were from guitar players I,d have to assume.For harp amps feedback believe me the hush tames many a beast for unfriendly harp amps.Believe what you want and maybe next time clarify your needs a little better to save me the time and try to dig a little deeper and get reviews from harp players instead of guitar players.
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You read me right. My original interest was in anti feedback. The reviews I read were from guitar players, and with my very limited knowlege, I assumed the gear would work as well for a microphone as it would a guitar...After all, sound is sound. (??)
After reading reviews, I became leary of buying a cheap anti feedback, and along the way I got kinda interested in the chorus, and bought one on impulse. I doubt I'll regret that.
I have a solid-state amp (Peavy Back Stage Plus) and have a tube preamp (Tube MP Studio-with a better tube than what came in it). Ya reckon the Hush would tame it?
I,m unfamiliar with the Peavey but As I mentioned in another late post on the crate palomino you may want to try to change the pre-amp tube which I,m guessing is 12ax-7 which are used as pre-amp tubes in most guitar suited amplifiers with a 12 ay-7 and that will tame it down a bit I,m sure.A 12 au-7 will really tame it but you will notice a big difference in volume.As far as the anti-feed;just because its lower in price doesn,t mean it does,t do the job.FWIW Before the Hush(blue) came out R-Tron made a pedal called the micro-hush which has become a very evasive pedal to find,ebay/c-list etc.but has been a pedal that harp players use for taming feedback.I have seen them go for as much as $150. to $200.(crazy IMO). .As others stated here prior about not needing these type of pedals is understandable depending on the amp.Certain amps need certain mods for this particular reason but involves electronic know-how.The tube swap thing is just a quicker less inexpensive way to go or to try before going that route.(I,m not sure if the Peavey would even be a candidate for modding,or worth the cost or trouble) The feed-pedal(Hush)as well as the tube swap does help out quite a bit.I would have to think that there may be some kind of an archive on the tube swap thing here on MBH.If not here then definitely on the Weber speaker harp forum.I,m not an expert on this but have experimented in the past with positive results.If anyone else here has any experience with this please chime in.Thanks and Best Of Luck.
On somebody's recommendation a while back, I put a 12AT-7 in my preamp. I didn't know the tube had anything to do with feedback. I thought they just took the harshness out of the solid-state amp.
In my browsing, I did run across the Micro Hush, but they said it is no longer made. I guess I'll try the hush one of these days unless I find the Kinder on E-bay CHEAP first.
GreenBulletMics.com A great harp source which also better explains vacuum tubes and gain,etc.Also check out bluesharpamps.blogspot.com/2010/...swaps.I don,t know how a tube swap will work on your particular amp but figured these reads may give you a better idea of what I am talking about.This site also has alot of great harpin info if you have not heard of it before.
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