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Caprice No24 on diatonic harp
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Leonid
145 posts
Jan 12, 2011
10:54 AM
Hi Guys,
In spirit of peace and knowledge sharing I have recorded this video about developing agility on harmonica. Enjoy and please give me your feedback/critique/suggestions.

Diggsblues
679 posts
Jan 12, 2011
11:38 AM
I think it's a good idea to play that kind of stuff to
build technique. Unfortunately the quality of bends
and overblows with just about 99% of 10 hole players makes it difficult for it to be a classical instrument.
I told basicly the same thing to Crytal.

The need for exercises is huge for all harmonicas.
My feeling is that just tablature without notation
keeps the instrument in the "not serious category" in
the world of professional musicians.
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jim
692 posts
Jan 12, 2011
12:16 PM
great stuff.
Regarding notes/tabs - I would do it this way:
since there are repeating/similar parts, I would tab out the first part, pronouncing notes and holes, and the rest will be just NOTES ("A flat", "C" etc.) with a playing example. This would also force the learner to develop hearing and learn to navigate across bends note-wise.
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Diggsblues
680 posts
Jan 12, 2011
1:06 PM
Jim then you will not develop reading skills.
What if it hasn't been played correctly.
Robert Bonfiglio I trust everybody else pays cash.
Charlie McCoy has great Material with notes and
tabliture. Ear traing is an important technique but
technical exercises I think are better written out in
some form. My God look at all of the Etude books for
other instruments.
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RyanMortos
951 posts
Jan 12, 2011
3:43 PM
Thanks, for the video/demonstration. I'll have to wait till the weekend to try to write down all the notes you're playing.

I definitely prefer sheet music to tab. What if I want to play on a different key harmonica or on chromatic or I want to show another musician what it is I'm playing? Then that original tab is useless. Was there a tab attached with this video? I did not see it but it would have been very helpful to have in the description box along with the video. Your playing & demonstration of the exercise and music was very nice. I've been messing around with Bach stuff on harmonica sometimes, very challenging :) .

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Leonid
147 posts
Jan 12, 2011
4:05 PM
I have sheet music for it but have no idea how to post it here. The important thing is I haven't transposed the piece and it is in A minor
hvyj
1065 posts
Jan 12, 2011
4:07 PM
I think it is hard to work from sheet music playing a diatonic. Since there are 12 keys of Richter tuned harmonicas there are 12 note layouts and it is very challenging to associate a particular note on the staff with a particular hole (or hole and bend) because those will change depending on what key harp you happen to be using--and it is sometimes necessary to use more than one harp to play a piece of written music, especially if one does not OB.

If I've got to work from a chart, i usually cheat and simply convert the notes to degrees of the scale. i know what hole and which bend correspond to which degree of the scale in the 5 positions i regularly use, and those relationships remain the same in all 12 keys. But to do it any other way on a diatonic would be very difficult for me because of the 12 different note layouts on the 12 different keys of harmonica.

I don't play chrom well enough to perform on one, but it seems to me it would be much easier to sight read playing a chrom.
RyanMortos
952 posts
Jan 12, 2011
4:29 PM
"...12 different note layouts on the 12 different keys of harmonica."

They aren't really different though right?

All that changes is what note the harmonica starts on, then you follow what note comes next in the major scale.

For example, we all know where C,D,E,F,G,A,B is on the 1st, 2nd, & 3rd octave on the C diatonic harmonica.

G harmonica is also the same layout G,A,B,C,D,E,F# are all in the same spots in all 3 octaves on the G harmonica

and A harmonica A,B,C#,D,E,F#,G# same spots in all 3 octaves, and so on for all the keys as long as they're the same tuning.

This is why for example, the minor pentatonic blues scale is on the same holes on all 12 harmonicas because the layouts are not different.

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RyanMortos

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"I play the harmonica. The only way I can play is if I get my car going really fast, and stick it out the window." - Stephen Wright

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Leonid
148 posts
Jan 12, 2011
4:31 PM
I hate trasposing and what is why play everything on C harp, sometimes if I play from music sheet written for brass section I pick either Ab or Bb harp but the idea is the same.
hvyj
1066 posts
Jan 12, 2011
4:55 PM
@Leonid; That's fine if you are playing solo. But most of the time if i am working from charts, i am playing with other musicians and so i cannot pick and choose what keys the material is played in. i have to play the music in whatever key(s) the band is supposed to be playing in.

I'm not required to work from charts very often, but when i am i can't pick the key we'll be in. and the performance will usually involve different tunes in different keys and some of the tunes may modulate.
hvyj
1067 posts
Jan 12, 2011
5:05 PM
@RyanMortos: "They aren't really different though right?

All that changes is what note the harmonica starts on, then you follow what note comes next in the major scale."

This is what I'm saying: I certainly agree that the BREATH PATTERNS don't change, but the location of particular NOTES do change. And it is particular NOTES that are written on the staff. For example, C is in a different location on each of the 12 harps. If you see a C on the sheet music, what hole do you play (and do you have to bend)? the answer will be different for each of the 12 harps, depending on which harp you are playing.

Degrees of the scale only change depending on which POSITION you are in, so, yeah, the minor pentatonic scale in second position is in the same place on every Richter tuned 10 hole harp. that's why i cheat and convert the notes on the sheet music to degree of the scale.
RyanMortos
954 posts
Jan 12, 2011
5:16 PM
hvyj, I am sorry I misunderstood you. I think that the breath patterns don't change is one of the cooler facts on our chosen instrument :O) .
I don't quite know how to use scale degrees like you but it sounds like cool useful stuff I hope to grasp in the future.

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RyanMortos

~Ryan

"I play the harmonica. The only way I can play is if I get my car going really fast, and stick it out the window." - Stephen Wright

Pennsylvania - H.A.R.P. (Harmonica Association 'Round Philly)

Contact:
My youtube account



hvyj
1071 posts
Jan 13, 2011
2:01 AM
@Leonid: You know, it just dawned on me that if a tune is in A minor you shouldn't have to transpose it in order to play it on a C harp since C and A minor have the same key signature and, of course, you can play in A minor on a C harp (4th position). FWIW.
jim
696 posts
Jan 13, 2011
3:26 AM
And he plays it exactly in A minor.
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Diggsblues
683 posts
Jan 13, 2011
4:09 AM
Robert Bonfiglio told me he thought writing everything
for a C harmonica and just changing the clef was the way to go to avoid transposition for the 10 hole.
I've never worked out the details. Transposing from sheet music in all 12 keys would be tough.
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apskarp
380 posts
Jan 13, 2011
5:02 AM
Great job Leonid! I have worked my way through few classical pieces and it is really rewarding many ways. First of all it is great to learn great music, secondly the development of ear and musical understanding of scales while trying to find out what the notes are, and thirdly of course the technique that is needed to be able to play it.

I don't personally care whether the bends are really accurate or not - if it sounds good to my own ears then it's good.

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Leonid
149 posts
Jan 13, 2011
5:45 AM
Thanks Guys, as I said it is an excersise. I tried to be as accurate as possible with bends even checked them with tuner. Unfortunately from time to time I do get it off slightly. But hey I am not the only one and even most advanced players do it occasionally


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