HarpNinja
954 posts
Jan 10, 2011
11:27 AM
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Well, sorta playing through the PA. On occasion, with the Mark Cameron Band, I end up with like no room on stage. This happened this past weekend. I am thinking of just using a monitor in those instances.
I have a QSC K10 that I would run into and send a feed to the board with. This way, I have my own PA and control over it.
However, it doesn't have much of an eq. It is pretty much just flat. I would like to run into the PA with my effects clean and occasionally turn on a "dirt" pedal (pedal to be decided later.
Anyways, my concern is the tone I hear. I can mix the FOH sound, but wouldn't I need an eq pedal for my monitor?
My other thought is to get some sort of amp emulator to run in front of the amp and then get my dirt from a patch on my Line 6 M13.
Again, though, I don't have much control over my "clean" sound. I remember Chris Michalek sounding amazing going straight into the board at the SPAH blow off this year, but the FOH guy knew how to mix harp.
Thoughts?
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Mike
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas
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bluemozark
14 posts
Jan 10, 2011
11:34 AM
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This is supposed to the thing for going into the PA.
http://www.studica.com/behringer_v-tone_guitar_gdi21.html
You can always add an EQ pedal or delay pedal to that.
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HarpNinja
955 posts
Jan 10, 2011
11:48 AM
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That looks VERY tempting...Anyone use one for harp? I see it is modeled after this...http://www.tech21nyc.com/products/sansamp/gt2.html
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Mike
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas
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MrVerylongusername
1472 posts
Jan 10, 2011
12:17 PM
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Yeah I use one - posted about it in a thread a couple of days ago.
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toddlgreene
2456 posts
Jan 10, 2011
12:37 PM
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Wow...20 bucks, too. That's worth an experiment at that price.
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Todd L. Greene, Codger-in-training
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toddlgreene
2457 posts
Jan 10, 2011
12:46 PM
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I don't know if this would be of interest to you for this purpose, Mike, but I have a Hughes and Kettner Red Box (I am not sure if it's the II or the III)Cabinet Emulator/DI. It will fatten things up. I haven't used it in many years-at least 15. If you are interested, drop me an email. I'll make you a deal. I will verify which one exactly it is when I get home this evening. It's before they came out with the 'classic'. Perhaps it would be a 'combo emulator' if used with the Behringer?
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Todd L. Greene, Codger-in-training
Last Edited by on Jan 10, 2011 1:36 PM
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MrVerylongusername
1474 posts
Jan 10, 2011
2:30 PM
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If you can get one (they're long discontinued, but pop up on ebay from time to time) the Hughes & Kettner Crunchmaster A.K.A. Bluesmaster is the absolute dog's what-nots. 1W tube amp (12ax7 pre and EL84 power stage) with EQ and more output options than you could ever need- including balanced 1/4" DI with H&K red box speaker sim. Basically it's a tweed combo amp in a halfrack box. There's also the Cream Machine which is the same thing, but more akin to a Marshall head
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hvyj
1048 posts
Jan 10, 2011
4:03 PM
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a decent PA board has very very extensive and flexible EQ. You can dial in damn near whatever tone you want. For harp, the most important adjustments, IMHO, are where you set the mids and if and how much you pump the gain or pad control in relation to the volume control.
a little more gain can really heat up the signal. you may have to compensate by turning down the volume. Midrange thickens the tone. Be careful about pumping the bass or you can wind up sounding muddy. Rolling off a little treble smooths things out. And, of course most boards have some reverb.
You shouldn't need outboard gizmos to get decent tone going into the pA if you know how to handle your mic.
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LittleBubba
6 posts
Jan 10, 2011
4:06 PM
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The harp commander I,II, & III are built for runnin' into the PA & they work pretty good. They're pricey new, but a little networking would find one that somebody'd be willing to sell. Brian Purdy (harpgear.com) prob'ly knows where some are.
The monitor situation is where the problems can come, imo. That's why I like to have an amp mic'ed up on stage. Even if you have a dedicated stage monitor, being able to hear it in the stage mix can be tough.
I've lowered my gear standards for sitting in with bands and have become content to walk up to a 58 eq'd for voice and let 'er go. If your tone's good and you've developed a little technique proximity-cupping a 58 on a stand, you'll still sound great to the crowd and you can still contol any feedback with your cup. I guess I've gotten lazy & practical.
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hvyj
1049 posts
Jan 10, 2011
4:17 PM
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I tried a Harp Commander at an open stage the other night. i thought it degraded the performance of the lo z 545 I was using. I had to unplug from the HC and go direct into the board in order to get enough volume and cut to be heard when a too loud guitar player got up to play.
The HC had decent tone but no balls. It seemed like it might be useful as a direct box for hi z bullet mics. But it just erodes the signal of a lo z mic though.
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LittleBubba
7 posts
Jan 10, 2011
4:58 PM
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I've occasionally had those same results with my Commander, hvyj. I wrote it off to that same old thing where some circuitry just doesn't match up well with its terminal gear.
BTW, I used my Roland Micro-cube as a pre-amp into the mains once (not much stageroom needed for THAT), and got good results with that, but I got alotta crap from the guys, so I never did it again, lol.
I guess this discussion can lead back to what mic yer usin' huh??
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bluemozark
16 posts
Jan 10, 2011
5:13 PM
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>>There's also the Cream Machine which is the same thing, but more akin to a Marshall head<<
You got that right. I had a H&K Cream Machine about 20 yrs ago, I still kick myself for selling it.
That thing was awesome. You will see em on ebay now & then, but they now go for like $200+.
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