boris_plotnikov
190 posts
Aug 07, 2010
2:59 AM
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Is there anyone who was treated with adenoidectomy?
I have two students without adenoids and they both have big problems with controlling nose breathing. I'm looking for idea how teach them to avoid extra nose inhaling while playing.
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Last Edited by on Aug 07, 2010 2:59 AM
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arzajac
310 posts
Aug 07, 2010
5:23 AM
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If they can breathe in and out exclusively through their nose while keeping their mouth wide open, there should be no physiological reason that would make it any harder.
Some patients who have had surgery to reduce snoring end up with too much of their soft palate removed and they end up not being able to cut off the flow of air to the nose when their mouth is open. But this isn't the case with the removal of the tonsils. Shouldn't anyway...
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CamiloHarper
12 posts
Aug 07, 2010
6:04 AM
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I don´t have an answer for this but I do have another question related. I don`t have anything phisiological removed out, but I'm one of those that inhales extra air from the nose, specially when I try to play a 3b`` (full step bend) accurrately. I've noticed that if I close my nose with my hand I can endure a lot more time with the note in pitch whereas I get hyperventilated quite quickly without it.
Are there any exercises, or ways to improve this???
thanks in advance!!
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With some latin flavour for you, chico!! :P
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boris_plotnikov
191 posts
Aug 07, 2010
6:16 AM
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CamiloHarper
Try to yawn while playing. You have to elevate the soft palate.
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Last Edited by on Aug 07, 2010 6:43 AM
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boris_plotnikov
192 posts
Aug 07, 2010
6:44 AM
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arzajac
The can't breath with mouth without breathin' with nose!
And they get tired and overinhaled.
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Greg Heumann
701 posts
Aug 07, 2010
7:48 AM
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@camiloharper
This is a big problem for many beginners and was for me as well (it really should be a separate thread.) I think most of us have the muscles we need to control this but we're not "in touch" with them.
What really helped me was thinking about the child's game of talking like you have a cold when you don't. If you ever did this, try to do it again - you close off your nose while talking to make your voice sound like you have a cold. THIS is the muscle you want to gain control over.
It has taken me YEARS but I have gotten slowly better and better at it until it is no longer an issue. Sometimes I still recognize that I'm leaking through my nose but I can stop it.
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/Greg
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arzajac
311 posts
Aug 07, 2010
7:55 AM
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"The can't breath with mouth without breathin' with nose!"
Yes, but can they breath through the *nose only* with mouth open? This is important to determine if there is a physical component due to the throat surgery.
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Joe_L
517 posts
Aug 07, 2010
4:54 PM
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I had a tonsils, adenoids and uvula removed about seven years ago. I also had some major sinus surgery.
The hardest part of the whole experience was learning how to do basic stuff like drinking and eating without stuff blowing back into the sinus cavity.
Honestly, for me, the surgeries never factored into harp playing. I never thought about it. I just worked through it. I wanted to play, rather than think of reasons why I couldn't.
I guess the main lesson learned for me was that if you want to do it badly enough, things will work out.
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The7thDave
150 posts
Aug 10, 2010
11:01 AM
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The soft palate (velum) controls the opening at the back of the throat that leads to the nasal cavity, and it can be moved to open and close that opening independently of the tongue and glottis--but most people can't do this very well without a bit of learning effort.
The Tuvans have a form of ornamentation in their Throat Singing called 'Ezengileer,' in which a rhythmic pulse is added to the singing by relaxing and contracting the velum in various rhythmic patterns. It took me a while to figure out how to do this, and I still can't do it without making odd facial expressions.
I can imagine how removal of the adenoids could impair control of the velar musculature, although it seems like the sort of thing that could be overcome with effort.
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--Dave
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