Joch230
165 posts
Jun 04, 2010
8:46 AM
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EV630 Just the very beginning of the vid is from the old Blow by Blow album...the rest is truely a blues groove.
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Ev630
537 posts
Jun 04, 2010
10:32 AM
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That's Tal Wilkenfeld, Thomas. An Aussie from Sydney.
Joch, I think Beck is fantastic. I enoyed both of those clips. But he's been playing stuff like that for 35 years and it doesn't make him a bluesman, even if he can quote it.
I'm not knocking him. I just don't think innovation is all it's made out to be, nor is it present here.
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Joch230
166 posts
Jun 04, 2010
10:49 AM
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I don't think Beck's a bluesman either....just thought this was a nice bluesy tune.
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Buddha
1927 posts
Jun 04, 2010
10:49 AM
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@ev630
How do you define innovation?
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"Musicians are the architects of heaven"
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Ev630
538 posts
Jun 04, 2010
11:44 AM
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Something new.
There's nothing new in music. Hasn't been for decades.
Saying Beck is taking blues in a modern direction in that Rollin' & Tumblin' clip is false for a number of reasons. First, the groove isn't in any way new. Playing it through a loud Marshall and whammy wanking over it also isn't new. Beck himself has been doing that for 40 years. Getting a cool quirky babe to sing like Bjork or the Corrs over a trad blues or other incongruous genre also isn't new - Portishead anyone? Hooverphonic anyone?
I'm not knocking it. I really enjoyed it. If there's a live DVD release I'll buy it.
I just wish people would be more accurate about these things. When people say that clip is modern blues (and thus infer, as is common on this board, that it equates with some sort of innovation), it just tells me they haven't listened widely.
Innovation is something new and unheralded today. Not something that was new in 1967.
EV.
PS. I like your new tagline. Much better than the old one.
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Joch230
168 posts
Jun 04, 2010
11:50 AM
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Ev630 One thing that Beck does is shape the notes with the whammy bar. Not whammy wanking like a Van Halen kind of guy. I know he's been doing that a long time and there are other guys, like Scott Henderson that also do it. But his phrasing, when you put all these things together, I think in innovative. There are a million Stevie Ray Vaughnish guitar blues players but Beck has his own thing going.
-John
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Ev630
539 posts
Jun 04, 2010
8:01 PM
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Joch, I agree. Whammy wanking was crude short hand. Beck is a brilliant guitarist.
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walterharp
360 posts
Jun 05, 2010
12:13 PM
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i threw the clip up for a couple reasons.
a song that just stays on the one could sound quite old fashioned, but this version was, to me, not boring. The band grabbed stuff from all over the place (hendrix-like guitar, synth sounds, pastorius-influenced bass (Wilkenfeld does totally rock and is a prodigy for sure), a very modern approach to vocals by Imogene Heap and it really worked for me
the band is a mix of ages, half female, and does not fall neatly into any category, not current or old stereotypes of blues or rock bands in some ways.
dennis, i agree there were better cuts from this show ("blanket" is great), but this one made a relevant point better than most, most of which were mentioned in the following posts.
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