harpdude61
80 posts
Apr 12, 2010
7:02 AM
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I got to spend my weekend playing with my new toys. I love the Harpgear Double Trouble. Being a craftsman myself, it is obvious Brian is highly skilled and takes pride in his work. Couldn't be more happy.
The Lone Wolf Harp Delay is great too. I have a lot to learn about when, how much, and what settings to use, but it will be an enjoyable learning process.
The down side is my mics. I did not know what you guys meant by metallic sounding, but I do now. My stock Green Bullet does have a tinny kind of tone thru this system. My Bottle O Blues always sounded pretty good with my Pignose, but with my new set-up it sounds like I'm in a barrel and won't get near as loud as the GB.
The only settings I can change are tone and switch mic inlets between 1 and 2 on the amp.
I checked out the custom mic sites and hope to have one someday, but its not in the budget now.
I like the GB but wouldn't mind something just a fraction smaller. Anything out there reasonable that is ready to play STOCK?
Comments and suggestions are appreciated...and thanks to all who helped me decide what to purchase. So far I am very pleased.
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toddlgreene
1184 posts
Apr 12, 2010
7:07 AM
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If you can find a Electro Voice 631, snag it! I got mine for 25 shipped, and it has replaced my previous favorite, the RE10, which demand has driven the price up on. Granted, it's a stick mic, but it has a head to hold onto.
Additionally, the JT30 shells are smaller than the newer GB shells, and easier to cup.
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Todd L Greene. V.P.
Last Edited by on Apr 12, 2010 7:08 AM
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congaron
785 posts
Apr 12, 2010
7:07 AM
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Sm57 and an impedance transformer. Actually, there are some inexpensive vocal mics, like the first act mic at walmart that would be a VERY inexpensive thing to try. Chances are it will surprise you. Tone is inside you anyway, so a vocal mic may be what you're looking for. They won't have that "brittle" sound, even if your cup isn't that tight.
Last Edited by on Apr 12, 2010 7:09 AM
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Nastyolddog
539 posts
Apr 12, 2010
7:14 AM
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Hi Bro you like the GB
but wouldn't mind something just a fraction smaller. Anything out there reasonable that is ready to play STOCK?
Bro buy a cheapo Blues Blaster give the the element the flick install the GB element
then you have a smaller shell with the GB element to easy:)
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harpdude61
81 posts
Apr 12, 2010
7:18 AM
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Is the Electro Voice 631 ready to go stock? and what do they cost?
I bought a new SM 57 to mic the amp with and a XLR to 1/4" adapter. I take this is NOT what you mean by impedance transformer? Does it matter which inlet I use on the amp?
Are JT30s good STOCK? I just want to buy and not have to modify.
My natural acoustic tone is pretty full. My embochure is big open mouth and throat. I know I have my tone but 3 different mics this weekend and all were differnt with my same natural tone.
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congaron
786 posts
Apr 12, 2010
7:22 AM
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An xlr to 1/4 inch Might not be an impedance transformer..if it is, it will be labeled as one. The sm57 will sound a little thin without the imp trans. GO to musician's friend..or even radio shack..that's the one I use..the radio shack 19.95. There are a few out there..google it.
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Nastyolddog
540 posts
Apr 12, 2010
7:27 AM
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Yo Dude check out a guy on ebay called Technobird
he has customs for sale at very low prices,
now that iv'e said that i expect our used car salesmen
to come busting through the door saying have i got a deal for you ya wanna buy a cheap mic:)
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earlounge
18 posts
Apr 12, 2010
7:31 AM
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Joch or someone else... Have you ever tried an EV-635A? It looks similar to the 631. I can't find much online about it used with harps, and I can't comprehend the info I did find. I'm curious because my friend has one.
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toddlgreene
1185 posts
Apr 12, 2010
7:36 AM
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I'm thinking that stick-model older 635 would be very similar to the RE10 or 631...The 631 linked above by Joch is untested, however it DOES have an xlr. They are dual z, easily switchable to hi-z by simply removing the red lead from a slip-off connector and replacing it with the back lead. It also has the magnetic off/on switch, which is cool. If you take it off, the mic stays on.
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Todd L Greene. V.P.
Last Edited by on Apr 12, 2010 7:37 AM
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HarpNinja
369 posts
Apr 12, 2010
7:37 AM
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Get an Ultimate 57 or 545 from Greg Heumann. Those work fantastic with a DT....they aren't feedback prone at all and the 57, especially, adds a lot of bass that the narrow frequency range of other mics can't.
A 57 into a DT is bassier and louder than either of the EV mics mentioned.
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toddlgreene
1186 posts
Apr 12, 2010
7:49 AM
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A' 57 into a DT is bassier and louder than either of the EV mics mentioned.'
I did side-by-side comparison vids a while back on my Epi(pre-mod), and I didn't see the 57 as louder or with more bottom end than the RE10.
Depends on what you want to spend, really.
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Todd L Greene. V.P.
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HarpNinja
371 posts
Apr 12, 2010
7:53 AM
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Hmmm...I did extensive testing with all three of those mics. I found the RE10 to have more mids, but not the fullness of the SM57. I will concede that on the only Youtube A/B of the 57 and re10 I heard (one of Jason Ricci's) they sounded similar.
If there was an Ultimate re10, I think I would have gone with that instead just to be different. A HG amp with a 57 and BBE pedals is sort of the contemporary rig of choice for a lot of players.
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toddlgreene
1188 posts
Apr 12, 2010
8:02 AM
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I agree with you on the 57-more of a fuller sound. And Greg's Ultimate-ization makes them lighter and more comfy to hold. He even makes that sleeve to make holding onto them less of a hand-cramper-but when I do the math it's no longer a 'cheap' mic option. I still want an Ultimate 545, don't get me wrong, but the OP mentioned his budget. I like the RE10 for comfort AND tone(I think I prefer a bit more 'dirt' than you do.), so when I accidentally stumbled upon the 631 series, I fell in love.
Hey '61, gonna bring that DT to Hill Country? We have a club member who might bring his. It would be cool to have one for the amp comparisons Adam has suggested.
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Todd L Greene. V.P.
Last Edited by on Apr 12, 2010 8:05 AM
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congaron
787 posts
Apr 12, 2010
8:07 AM
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yeah, if you have the 57 already, get a proper impedance transformer and you'll be good to go until you decide if you need something different for comfort. Some guys don't have comfort issues with a regular stick mic.
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harpdude61
82 posts
Apr 12, 2010
8:21 AM
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I don't mind holding a stick mic.
Con....I searched impedance transformer on radioshack.com and get 6 results..any of this the right stuff?
Todd..I'll bring all my stuff to Hill Country. I hope everyone does.
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HarpNinja
373 posts
Apr 12, 2010
9:27 AM
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http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062443
I would consider the Audix one. I am sure you can find it at MusiciansFriend.com. If you are patient, I bet you can find a used to new SM57 for under $100...maybe even $75-ish...So for around $100 bucks you can have a great harp mic that will go with the DT really well. I would also consider pulling a trigger on the 631 as it is a great mic.
I have a rat tail Peavey transformer that I much prefer over the plugs. It is flexible. They are $45 at the local music store, but I have a brand new one that has literally only been taking out of the package and never used.
If you're interested, let me know. I have another older one and rarely use them as I tend to go wireless.
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congaron
790 posts
Apr 12, 2010
12:29 PM
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If I am wired, versus wireless, I run a standard xlr cable to the amp and plug into the converter at the amp or pedal end, plugging its 1/4 inch plug into the amp/pedal jack.
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congaron
791 posts
Apr 12, 2010
12:36 PM
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I just re-read what you said you were doing with the sm57...micing the amp. I didn't intentionally sidetrack , sorry. If you are micing the amp, the sm57 is ready to go to any PA. If you are PLAYING into the sm57 as your harp mic, you'll want to use the impedance transformer to get the best signal into your harp amp. Of course, then you won't have it to mic the amp with.
Apologies if I confused anybody.
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harpdude61
84 posts
Apr 12, 2010
1:28 PM
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No problem congaron! The guy at my local music store knew the difference between an adapter and an impedance transformer adapter. He said a lot of people make the mistake of buying the cheaper adpater. I want to try my SM 57 thru the amp too. I may end up using my Green Bullet to mic the amp....lol...just joking but I am still amazed at how deep this stuff gets and the unlimited options to play amplified harp.
So, Do I want my transformer before or after my delay?
You can actually buy a female XLR to female 1/4" transformer which would plug direct into the SM57 and eliminate all XLR cable...good or bad idea?
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congaron
795 posts
Apr 12, 2010
1:37 PM
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Transformer between the mic and the delay.
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congaron
796 posts
Apr 12, 2010
1:40 PM
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Xlr cable is WAY less likely to pull out of the mic when you move around, since it has a button to release it. You can loop the cable through the amp handle or zip tie it to the delay pedal ..whichever your xlr to 1/4 inch adapter is plugged into.
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congaron
797 posts
Apr 12, 2010
1:42 PM
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also, xlr cable is more resistant to radio or electrical interference than 1/4 inch unbalanced cable..i like the longest cable run to be balanced three conductor cable. that's why I plug the adaptor into the pedal or amp (if I'm not using the pedal)and use the xlr cable from the mic to there if I'm not wireless. You step on the xlr cable on a small stage and it won't pull out of the mic..a 1/4 inch cable will pull right out.
Last Edited by on Apr 12, 2010 1:43 PM
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Joe_L
152 posts
Apr 12, 2010
3:40 PM
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If it's a 520DX, you ought to be able to get a good sound out of that with the Double Trouble. I use that set up quite frequently and have zero issues getting a usable sound out of that setup. Just make sure it is wired Hi-Z. See the Shure website, if you aren't sure.
Last Edited by on Apr 12, 2010 3:41 PM
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