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what key is that
what key is that
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Hobostubs Ashlock
510 posts
Mar 20, 2010
1:38 AM
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I have come across a problem in my 1st year of study of the harmonica that i havent firgured out when playing with other guitarist,or even somtimes with my own guitar songs,when recording.I got a feel for the 1-4-5 blues progression and if i know the key all is good.Not that i sound real good but a know the basic struture of where the song is heading 12 bars key of E for example,But with most my friends songs amd a lot of mine there not standard 1-4-5 progressions,Like tonight i was playing with a friend i hadnt seen in awhile,And he really has gotten pretty good on the guitar,but like most my guitar playing friends,there songs are more modern rock and dont follow the 1-4-5 and they dont know what key its in,I play some guitar and try to firgure out what key there in but there using a lot of different chords,im tha basic 1st postion or standard Bar chord fellow,but this friend of mine was playing some finguring that if i could spend some time i could firgur out but we on the spot ready set go,I know you can test harps by drawing in on the 2 hole draw and thats what i did but for me sometimes i might feel like 2 or 3 might work by the time i firgure it out well the songs allmost over.But i firgure i can deal with that with time,my question is when a song is not a 1-4-5 blues but more like a modern acoustic rock how do you firgure out the pattern quick is there a set guide kinda like the blues,I struggled all night with his modern stuff i played one blues song and it feel right together,but harp would sound good on some of his songs if i could firgure out the progression for modern acoustic rock,the last band i was in i had the same situation,on a lot of my guitar songs the same,Also i have a chart with the 3 main keys for a key on my harp box,like E=E,A,B but im starting to notice on these modern acoustic rock songs that there using other chords than the 3 main ones for a key its confussing me any help would be greatly appreaciated
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blogward
106 posts
Mar 20, 2010
2:29 AM
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Are you familiar with the different harp positions? Depending on the song style, some harp positions can sound more natural than others. There are three basic positions a new player should know:
the root key (eg C on an C harp, the Oh Susanna! position),
second position (G on a C harp, the classic blues position) and
third position (D(minor-ish feel, or Dorian mode)on a C harp).
For typical three-chord trick rock songs, 4th position is a good one to try (A(minor-ish, Aeolian mode) on a C harp) - although in this position the A root note is a draw bend.
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Hobostubs Ashlock
511 posts
Mar 20, 2010
2:42 AM
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yea i familar with the1,2,3 im not with 4 th,when i get into these situations it does seem like im using 3rd as much as 2nd but in the same song lol when i am not familar with the tune and its not a 12 bar blues i go with my ear and hope i picked up the right harp cause ill find a root note or another on that sounds like it might work and noodle around with it some but because the change is going to be something other than a standard 12 bar change i have to repeat it on the next change and i would like to not noodle so much,given theses are 1st time jams not worked out songs,but was wondering if there was a basic modern rock pattern with the 1-4-5 that is different than the blues 12 pattern
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blogward
107 posts
Mar 20, 2010
2:52 AM
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It sounds like your shit is very together - no, there isn't a standard rock pattern.
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Hobostubs Ashlock
512 posts
Mar 20, 2010
3:17 AM
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thanks blogward,thing is ive been wanting to go to a open blues jam in the city,(Tulsa)where if i ask what key the song is they know and dont look at me and ask whats a key lol(true story) but im not sure if ive woodsheded enough yet to a least have a decent showing,the jams around my town are like a couple country songs a couple modern rock, a lot of garage originals and 1 blues song 12 bars in E no lyricks 1 harp player me if im there lol im needing to step to the next step but it makes me nervouse cause i go to the city there will be real harp players,
Last Edited by on Mar 20, 2010 3:19 AM
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