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ZackPomerleau
801 posts
Mar 18, 2010
4:43 PM
So I have heard you should tilt the harmonica up in your mouth for the best tone, but I can't figure it out for the life of me. Anybody care to explain?
barbequebob
625 posts
Mar 18, 2010
4:48 PM
I think to do that, it really depends more on inside of the mouth and jaw shape more than anything else, as I really don't see that much benefit in that.
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jawbone
281 posts
Mar 18, 2010
4:51 PM
Zack - do you mean that the back of the harp should be higher?
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RyanMortos
688 posts
Mar 18, 2010
4:53 PM
My guess would be the act of tilting causes you to drop your jaw (& let the instrument deeper in the mouth) if it is not which would improve your tone. I could see telling beginners to do that to help them get the feel for correct embouchure.

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Kyzer Sosa
211 posts
Mar 18, 2010
5:05 PM
I tilt it sometimes as I go up higher on the harmonica, kind of like a swing... its wierd but when i get going good it coincides with the movement of my head...like a ship on an ocean full of waves...

(you can get carried away with it tho)
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DanP
122 posts
Mar 18, 2010
5:10 PM
Tilting the harp up or the front of the harp down helps some people get a better tone. It's the easiest way for beginners to get a clear single note. The way it's learned is to use a three hole embochure and blow or draw a 3 hole chord, for example the 4, 5 and 6 chord and gradully tilt the back up until the 5 hole sounds good and clear and the 4 and 6 holes are blocked out.
ZackPomerleau
802 posts
Mar 18, 2010
6:00 PM
Well, I've heard it gets more natural air flow or something if you tilt the harp so the back is higher up and the holes are in the direction of straight down your throat. Personally, I CAN'T do it, I have tried and tried but I just can't. I can tilt the harp down, though, with the holes pointing upwards and the back down. Doing this I bend more accurately and my lips don't come into play when playing (sometimes I purse them when bending when playing faster runs). AND the tone is much better. I recorded the way I usually play, doing that, and tongue blocking, and it honestly sounds like tongue blocking. Maybe it is subjective? I like it at least!
ZackPomerleau
803 posts
Mar 18, 2010
6:02 PM
Oh, Chris Michalek and Howard Levy tilt the back upwards, I have noticed. So i was kind of taking it from that. Doesn't work for me, but the other way does and I like the sound, so I think I'm good.
boris_plotnikov
50 posts
Mar 18, 2010
7:47 PM
Most players tilt harmonica (back of the harp should be higher) Jason Ricci, Howard Levy, me too. Some players tilt back of the harmonica down (very uncomfortable for me): Rupert Oysler, Mikhail Vladimirov (my friend, 2009 Trossingen champion from Moscow).
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Nastyolddog
457 posts
Mar 18, 2010
8:02 PM
Hi Bro's i tilt the Harp a Little,as is taught in many instruction books there must be some degree of angle,
whether its a little or a Lot,

check out the link below from Harp Gear it's worth a
look for this topic

www.harpgear.com/tone.html
ZackPomerleau
806 posts
Mar 18, 2010
8:23 PM
I can't do it going upwards, it just doesn't work for some reason. But, hey, that winner must know what he's doing!
oldwailer
1137 posts
Mar 18, 2010
11:39 PM
Tilting the back of the harp up is also taught by Dave Barrett in his books and at the Masterclass. One of the reasons for this is that it facilitates TBing for many people--and promotes a better tone (the tilt--I ain't about to touch the TBing part).

It was about the first thing Buddha taught me to do when I got a personal lesson from him. It took a while, but I pretty much always play that way now--and when I use a rack, I hate not getting that tilt right. . .
MagicNick
20 posts
Mar 19, 2010
2:20 AM
I've always been a down tilter. I think it came from when I was a complete beginner I could only bend notes if I tilted the back of the harp down.

I can now bend notes, tilted up / down / straight / TB / LP whatever but still tilt the harp down out of habit
congaron
704 posts
Mar 19, 2010
7:08 AM
"--and when I use a rack, I hate not getting that tilt right. . . "

The rack can be twisted with a crescent wrench to get the tilt..
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ZackPomerleau
807 posts
Mar 19, 2010
7:57 AM
I guess I'm wondering if the tilting I'm doing is a bad habit and something I should stop doing or if it won't hinder me whatsoever playing wise.
ZackPomerleau
808 posts
Mar 19, 2010
7:57 AM
I guess I'm wondering if the tilting I'm doing is a bad habit and something I should stop doing or if it won't hinder me whatsoever playing wise.
harpdude61
36 posts
Mar 19, 2010
8:57 AM
Tilting is more a natural position. It lets the harp go deeper and the creases in your mouth corners nicely fit the top crease of the harp. When I play my Golden Melodys, the top lip is actually hanging over the harp while the bottom of the harp rests nicely on the inside of my lower lip, almost to the gums.

Also, tilting the harp puts the hole(s) parallel with the throat opening and improves airflow.

Total relaxation is the key and I think one of the mistakes new players make is not putting the harp in deep enough. They see the small hole and instinct tells them to pucker and make the opening of the lips the same.
markdc70
27 posts
Mar 19, 2010
1:31 PM
I have read in several places to tilt the back of the harp up when placing it into your mouth, and they all suggest it to allow the harp to get further into the mouth for better tone. I tilt mine up slightly and for what its worth, Richard Sleigh told me to quit it!
kudzurunner
1271 posts
Mar 19, 2010
1:50 PM
I don't tilt the harp at all. If it works for you, do it. I don't do it and don't need to do it. But I'm sure it helps some people.
Buddha
1509 posts
Mar 19, 2010
2:10 PM

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congaron
708 posts
Mar 19, 2010
2:35 PM
is that John Popper? Just kidding.
ZackPomerleau
814 posts
Mar 19, 2010
5:08 PM
Chris, what are your thoughts on this? Does the direction of the tilt matter? I noticed a significant change in tone, meaning it was better, and my bending was more accurate.
Buddha
1510 posts
Mar 19, 2010
5:47 PM
its needed for a full tone.



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ZackPomerleau
818 posts
Mar 19, 2010
5:51 PM
So, tilting the mouthpiece up as I describe is not as good as the way you do it? If so, I might have to keep practicing, then.
DeathBound
12 posts
Mar 19, 2010
5:59 PM
From what I've learned Dave Barrett teaches you to tilt for LP, that's what he mainly teaches. He shows you how the lips will naturally block the holes when tilted. Don't see how that will help with TB.
Buddha
1511 posts
Mar 19, 2010
7:02 PM
deathbound, it doesn't matter. I regularly switch to TB in the middle of my playing. The position of the harp doesn't change.


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ZackPomerleau
820 posts
Mar 19, 2010
7:36 PM
Well, it seems like I should be changing techniques :P
harpwrench
195 posts
Mar 19, 2010
10:09 PM


Little Walter didn't do it
hvyj
219 posts
Mar 19, 2010
11:02 PM
Assuming an appropriately deep embouchure is used, tilting when LPing puts the holes of the harp into the mouth past the top teeth. Using deep embouchure when TBing gets the holes of the harp into the mouth past past the top and bottom teeth anyway, without having to tilt.

I'm a mixed embouchure player. I tilt when LPing but I don't when TBing. (Maybe this is why i don't play as well as Buddha).

Anyway, there are some excellent players who never tilt.
mojojojo
32 posts
Mar 20, 2010
4:35 AM
my 5-year-old took to tilting the back of the harp up, and he can bend like crazy. i'm not really into doing it on purpose, but sometimes it seems i tilt a bit to compensate whenever i'm not draw bending well.


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