Scrapboss
52 posts
Feb 09, 2010
10:11 PM
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One jam I play does not have a stage box to plug a line out into.
Does anyone go line out into a DI box and then from the DI box use a stage mic cable that goes to the board?
I am wondering if this affects your tone. Is there any loss or change in tone compared to mic'ing the amp.
I do prefer to mic my amp and use my 545 to do so.
Sometimes I like to play through my 545 and would consider this set up if it would work.
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"I have a high tolerance for boredom as long as it has a groove" - Scrapboss
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Kingley
833 posts
Feb 10, 2010
7:30 AM
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Using a line out will always affect the tone. Here's why.
When you use a line out you will not get the speaker break up tones, which are a major part of the sound of any amp. This is why most people prefer to mic an amp up.
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toddlgreene
764 posts
Feb 10, 2010
8:09 AM
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I like the idea of both a mic'd speaker and the lineout, if time and the soundman permit. In the case of playing onstage with overly-loud guitar and bass amps, anything other than a monster harp amp might not have enough speaker volume to be picked up without bleedover, whereas with both signals, a good mix could be attained, capturing the singal from after the power tubes(line out) and the speaker breakup tones. I haven't done this yet, but it seems logical. I have been in the situation where it seemed my (previous)amp just couldn't get loud enough and the line out addition would have helped.
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Todd L. Greene, V.P.
Last Edited by on Feb 10, 2010 8:10 AM
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DH
27 posts
Feb 10, 2010
8:27 AM
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At jam sessions I’ve played through a ’59 Bassman, SJ Cruncher and SJ I w/o being mic’d and was barely able to hear what I was playing. I have used the line out on several occasions and didn’t really notice that much difference. If I find the super-secret guitar/bass/heavy-handed drummer volume control I’ll pass it on.
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MrVerylongusername
890 posts
Feb 10, 2010
8:32 AM
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Balanced mic level signals that come out of your DI box are much better for covering long cable runs - much less signal loss. So to answer your specific question: there will be less signal loss doing it this way than doing a direct line level out into the desk. It's up to your ears to decide if that is a good thing (some high freq loss could actually sound better, so who knows?)
100% agree with Kingley though, I would only ever DI a keyboard or a bassamp unless there was a damn good reason. Speaker tone and the effect of mic type & position are a huge part of the amped tone.
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MJ
77 posts
Feb 10, 2010
9:40 AM
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DH, It seems if you get buried using the amps you mentioned, the jam is way too loud.
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DH
28 posts
Feb 10, 2010
9:50 AM
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Oh yeah, 3-4 guitar players in a duel, a drummer with bricks for hands makes it interesting. It-is-what-it-is. lol
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Too Much I..IV..V..No Such Thing
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Joe_L
24 posts
Feb 10, 2010
7:14 PM
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Hey Paul - Give the line out on you Double Trouble a shot. It might surprise you. I've used mine a couple of times and have been quite impressed with the quality of the sound.
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Greg Heumann
283 posts
Feb 10, 2010
10:09 PM
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"When you use a line out you will not get the speaker break up tones, which are a major part of the sound of any amp. This is why most people prefer to mic an amp up."
This is not entirely true. As long as the line-out is driven from the speaker side of the output transformer, some of the speaker's influence actually DOES come through the line out. This is because the transformer is an "inductive" device - and its impedance swings wildly based on the load the speaker presents. When the speaker breaks up the load on the speaker's voice coil (also inductive) will reflect it, and that actually reflects distortion right back up the line into the OT and line-out circuit.
Moreover, its not like you're plugging in headphones. Your amp is still sending all its sound out its speakers, and that sound is mixing with the reinforced sound of the PA or second amp.
I'm using line-out on the Kalamazoo's and my Cruncher, and really like it. the sound guys seem to really like it too as it solves a lo of problems associated with mic'ing.
I do agree that BOTH is best - the sound guy can then compare the two signals and mix them any way he sees fit.
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/Greg
BlowsMeAway Productions
BlueState - my band
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Last Edited by on Feb 10, 2010 10:11 PM
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Kingley
834 posts
Feb 11, 2010
1:29 AM
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Joe- Yeah I used the line out on it a few times, but I still prefer to mic it up. It just sounds better to my ear.
Greg - I didn't know that. There's something new I've learnt today. Thanks for the info.
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DH
29 posts
Feb 11, 2010
8:12 AM
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I should have continued and said that I didn’t notice that much difference in tone using the line-out. Greg are you playing this Monday at the Trade Winds?
Dave
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Too Much I..IV..V..No Such Thing
Last Edited by on Feb 11, 2010 8:14 AM
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