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Soap Music
48 posts
Jan 31, 2021
8:29 AM
Survey: Dear All Blowers, we have a in band argument. From a harmonist's perspective would rather play for Rory or Eric?
I'm for Rory. Please vote R or E.
Thank you for your involvement m
Lou
112 posts
Jan 31, 2021
9:09 AM
If your not talking a cover/tribute band why not play both ?
Soap Music
49 posts
Jan 31, 2021
9:10 AM
One or the other! Cross the line.
jbone
3311 posts
Jan 31, 2021
9:08 PM
Since I've covered a lot of stuff off EC's albums- mostly stuff he covered by the old guard, and I'm not as familiar with Rory-

It's E.
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Last Edited by jbone on Feb 08, 2021 1:21 PM
ted burke
905 posts
Feb 06, 2021
11:08 PM
neither. I would go for Johnny Winter
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Soap Music
50 posts
Feb 07, 2021
8:42 AM
Johnny Winter wasn't in the running. Although l'm appreiative of all his work, answering the question as you did is like me going to the polling office on election day and trying to vote for a political party in South Africa as apposed to a party in my home country..... Next
dougharps
2236 posts
Feb 07, 2021
9:16 AM
I entered early adulthood in the American Midwest in the late '60s and early '70s. When you posted this question my initial response was, "Clapton of course... who is Rory Gallagher?"

So I thought I should check out Gallagher on YouTube. What I mainly found at first was well executed hyperactive rock blues (word order deliberate) music that would be a good listen while trying to not fall asleep driving long distance through the night. How could harp possibly fit into the music from that group?

Anyway, I grew up listening to Clapton and I am familiar with his various recordings and musical wanderings. Also, Clapton recorded "From the Cradle" with Portnoy. Surely Clapton would be my American Midwestern choice of a blues influenced Great Britain based recording artist?

Today I found this gem on YouTube:



Now I am of two minds. This is really good stuff. How did I miss this!? Should I reconsider and choose playing harp on Gallagher's stuff over Clapton?

I would probably still choose Clapton material to play because of my long familiarity with his various works, but I understand your question better now.

Rory Gallagher's work is clearly worthy of more USA attention. Perhaps I somehow missed him when local Midwest hippie tastes shifted to more of a country rock vibe back in the day. Perhaps others in the Midwest are well aware of Gallagher's work.

Still, my choice is Clapton mainly for familiarity with no final judgement being offered as to which is best overall.
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ted burke
906 posts
Feb 07, 2021
5:26 PM
Calm down , Soap.
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Last Edited by ted burke on Feb 07, 2021 8:00 PM
Lou
113 posts
Feb 08, 2021
12:45 PM
I agree with Ted !

DougHarps too bad you missed Rory, maybe He didn't tour the Mid West much ? Out here on the West coast I was able to see Him live 3 or 4 times all great shows at least the 2 I remember ! That guy put on show & knew how to entertain a crowd for sure.
Soap Music
51 posts
Feb 10, 2021
4:09 AM
Hey Doug S, try and check out (or buy) Nine Below Zero live at The Rockpalast 1981 and 1996. A 3 CD and 2 DVD set. It features Rory Gallagher's rhythm section and excellent harmonica players and other quest musos. And there is a good 30 minutes of the band paying tribute to the late great RV.
Soap Music
52 posts
Feb 10, 2021
4:13 AM
RG!!!
Not RV, l was just looking at the motorhome advertisements
Luckily I wasn't reading up on sexually transmitted diseases...
(VD)
dougharps
2241 posts
Feb 10, 2021
7:07 AM
Thanks for the information about RG. The concert footage from '96 is in two parts on YouTube and is now in my list of videos to watch & listen.
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kham
202 posts
Feb 10, 2021
7:58 PM
Wow! Rory's ridiculously talented. Never heard him before Dougharp's video posting. Now who's this Clapton you speak of? I'll have to look him up too.
Soap Music
53 posts
Feb 11, 2021
3:14 AM
I'm assuming the Gallagher uninitiated are those from the far flung corners of the colonies. I'm glad you like him. I sure you have some musical treasures stashed away that we, (on this miserable grey US aircraft carrier of a island) have yet to indulge and appreciate.
LFLISBOA
113 posts
Feb 11, 2021
9:04 AM
There a story back in the late sixties, Jimi Hendrix was on a popular afternoon talk show, The Mike Douglas Show. When Mike Douglas asked Jimi "What's it was like to be the best rock guitarist in the world?" Jimi responded "I don't know, you'll have to ask Rory Gallagher"
I do love his slide work, head to head with Johnny Winter, just loose to Derek Trucks, in my opinion.

Last Edited by LFLISBOA on Feb 11, 2021 9:05 AM
kham
203 posts
Feb 11, 2021
9:58 AM
@Soap Music
Here's a clip from a guitarist you might not know. Jerome Godboo is an equally ridiculous harmonica player but Shawn Kellerman is an underknown guitarist to my knowledge and is an absolutely killer performer/showman and nice guy in my interactions. His guitar solo starts at 4 minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIN3mIqOpq4
P.S.
I love the island analogy!
BnT
266 posts
Feb 12, 2021
1:44 AM
They're both talented guitarists. But as a harmonica player, if you had a choice, why would you want to be in a guitar-centric band?

I could understand if you presented options of more rhythm focused guitar players who really know how to play behind a harp player - Kid Anderson, Tommy Harkenrider, Junior Watson, Steve Freund, Tommy Leino, etc.

Clapton and Gallagher? Not unless I switch to bass or drums.
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ted burke
907 posts
Feb 12, 2021
11:53 AM
It could work if the guitarist in question were willing to have the harmonica player be more than a bit of decoration . I always thought what Jerry Portnoy did with Clapton was the least interesting work I heard him do, and the horn player who plays harp from time to time with Joe Bonamassa does very little except add after thought of tonal authenticity. Johnny Winter, though, was willing to allow give Pat Ramsey a lot of room in performance and on album to show the world what a slick player he was
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Soap Music
54 posts
Feb 15, 2021
1:48 AM
Dear BnT (Blues and Trouble?)
The advantages of being in a guitar centric band when one is over 60, a smoker, a drinker, and a womaniser, it gives one a chance to think about retirement, get one's breath back, have a crafty fag, get the beers in and blag the occasional bird at the bar.
The disadvantages is that guitarists do tend to bang on about their new effects pedals and turn the volume knob up to 11.
ted burke
909 posts
Feb 15, 2021
5:23 PM
I am 68, sober 33 years, happily monogamous , and have no need to sneak a smoke, a drink or an out of bounds kiss. So there's advantage for me to show up and play in a heavily guitar centric blues band when there's chance to play and be heard. I have been lucky enough , though, to have friends who want to share the solo spots.
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tingtang
21 posts
Feb 16, 2021
4:05 AM
They are both great of course but Rory was very under appreciated in his own time
Growing up in the UK in the 70's hardly anyone knew who he was, I was just lucky to chance upon him. In his native Ireland though, he was huge.
SuperBee
6899 posts
Feb 16, 2021
6:44 AM
I heard that Irish Tour, '74 album a lot around 1981. He had a bunch of other records but that one was very popular among people around here who liked that kind of rock. Johnny Winter was probably slightly less well known. Clapton was like a superstar, like a pop star. Gallagher was not in that league of fame but he was probably respected more than Clapton among those who knew about him. Clapton was legit but just not all that cool. Maybe he was cooler with a group a few years older than those I associated with. I missed him be about a decade I think.
Martin
1672 posts
Feb 16, 2021
7:08 AM
Did Portnoy get to play all of one (1) or was it two (2) solo/s per concert when he toured w/ EC?
Of course people went the those concerts very much for an interest in the guitar-playing, but wasn´t that slightly ridiculous?
ted burke
910 posts
Feb 16, 2021
10:46 AM
I love Clapton's blues album From The Cradle from a few years back, where he had made enough money for the record company and was allowed to make an all blues album. His playing on it, after so many albums of tepid pop, was a revelation. Plainly, he played as if he had something to prove.Winter and Stevie Ray Vaughan had stolen his thunder as a blues guitarist and it was time for EC to remind everyone of who he was in the guitar scheme of things. I was lucky to see Rory Gallagher at a San Diego date in 1974, and was very pleasantly surprised that besides being a fierce and moving straight ahead blues guitar player, he played a mean slide guitar.
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