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Primich's Caravan: Masters of the Blues Harp
Primich's Caravan: Masters of the Blues Harp
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SuperBee
6812 posts
Sep 16, 2020
7:31 PM
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I started to study this some time ago, realised it was not going to be a quick study, and priorities relegated it to a corner where it was mainly forgotten.
Yesterday I decided to have another look at it.
My memory of why I'd found it daunting was hazy. I thought perhaps I'd find it less tricky now, since I've been playing chromatic quite a lot over the last 18 months-2 years, and especially since April.
Today I took a look at the Glenn Weiser transcription in his book "Masters of the Blues Harp".
This post is mainly for anyone who might have this transcription and attempt to use it.
Short version is that my ears tell me the transcription is not accurate in respect of the notated button use in the B section.
I believe Gary Primich did not use the button in this part of the song.
The key signature in the transcription changes from D minor to major in this part, and the Fs and Cs are all notated as sharps, but I think this is an error, and that Gary actually played them without sharps ie minor over major.
For one thing it's much easier to play, but the real story is when you play along and use the sharps as in the notation, it's clearly not what is on the record.
I provided a friend with this transcript some time ago, which is actually what drew it to my attention in the first place. I just now told him what I'd found, and he called me to say that his progress had stalled at the very point I'm talking about.
I like transcriptions in some ways. They help me focus, see the bigger picture and the smaller picture, they can refresh my memory"at a glance". This story reinforces for me that for working out what's on the record, you have to trust your ears.
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LFLISBOA
92 posts
Sep 21, 2020
12:46 PM
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To my ears, mr. Primich does uses the button, but I don't have a chrom right now to confirm. My friend Bene plays Caravan close to Primich version, and he also does use the button.
You may check the oldest version:
https://youtu.be/Bv3CHsXHTFk
and a older verseion (8 years ago)
https://youtu.be/zTEJTbnMK6o
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timeistight
2318 posts
Sep 21, 2020
1:38 PM
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Very nice!
I actually prefer Bene's versions to Pimich's, which sounds out of tune to me.
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SuperBee
6817 posts
Sep 21, 2020
4:19 PM
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There is plenty of button use employed throughout the piece.
i am talking about B section of the transcription, and specifically 2 places in that section:
the 2nd measure and also the last note of measure 4, picking up into the first note of measure 5.
measure 2 is notated as (16th notes) 5 +6 6< +7 6< +6 5.
(had to EDIT my notation for consistency)
i have just run this on the slow downer again, this time bringing it down to 30%. If the 3rd and 5th notes of that figure are F#s I'm afraid there is something terribly wrong with my hearing. I'm not totally discounting that possibility but if i play an F# at that point it sounds quite at odds with the recording whereas if i play an F it seems harmonious.
The figure picking up from measure 4 into measure 5, which is moving from Gmaj7 to C7, depicts A A C# C# ie, defining the chord change with a flat 9th. To me it sounds like a C and it makes sense that it would be a C.
i enjoyed the videos too.
Another EDIT: i just remembered that there is another glitch on that first page too. in the very last measure on the 1st page of the transcription, that is measure 2 of the C sectionthere are 2 notes depicted as 3 draw in the tab but they are shown as different notes in the standard notation. The standard notation is clearly correct here. Its pretty obvious as its part of the main theme and the notes are G and A, ie should be tabbed as +3 3 but the tab shows 3 3 (A A). This sort of thing is fairly common and usually when tab and standard notation disagree it is the tab which is wrong. I expect this has something to do with the way these books are produced.
Just looking at the rest of the B section, i see in the second last measure, over the F9 chord, it depicts a repeated F# before resolving to E for the final chord in the section (E9). The F# seems again to be quite out of place here. An F, on the other hand is very comforting.
Last Edited by SuperBee on Sep 21, 2020 4:39 PM
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LFLISBOA
93 posts
Sep 22, 2020
4:25 AM
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The problem with transcriptions is that you can't see it as definitive version, unless the original players transcribed it. I don't transcribe, but eventually I revisite what I hearing ("juke" openning riff for example, sometime I think is 2D, sometimes 3B), and even may happen to print error (a wrong direction arrow for example), but I see the transcriptions as a good starting point. Nowadays that's some good apps that help this job, but never tried. This videos may help you to confirm your impression, if you follow what he does at specific the passages of B section.
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