groyster1
3429 posts
Sep 03, 2019
1:18 PM
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this note…..its part of the blues scale...and it works......very well......the blues scale is always relevant.…...
Last Edited by groyster1 on Sep 04, 2019 6:32 AM
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The Iceman
3912 posts
Sep 03, 2019
1:37 PM
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uh, not when you are soloing over "I've Seen the Needle and the Damage Done", for example.
btw, kinda weird post....6 EXHALE is the root note of the blues scale - not part, but a main component - IF you are playing in 2nd position.
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The Iceman
Last Edited by The Iceman on Sep 03, 2019 1:38 PM
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SuperBee
6147 posts
Sep 03, 2019
3:30 PM
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Not at all a weird post. It’s part of the “blues scale” in at least each of positions 1-5:
1st position (5th), 2nd position (tonic), 3rd position (4th), 4th position (dominant 7th), 5th position (minor 3rd).
Last Edited by SuperBee on Sep 03, 2019 3:31 PM
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groyster1
3431 posts
Sep 04, 2019
6:34 AM
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using the words exhale and inhale instead of blow and draw......now that's weird!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Gnarly
2693 posts
Sep 04, 2019
9:31 AM
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@groyster--wrong thread?
That note (and you know which one I mean) is the fifth note of the scale of the labeled key, and the root of the cross key. Of course it is going to be part of any key close to those on the wheel (circle of fifths).
Now draw 6 . . . that's the ninth of the cross key, and a popular one to bend when you want to sound jazzy. In 5th the bent note is the natural 4, usually a part of a standard melody.
On the Suzuki Manji Natural Minor, that note (and now I mean the draw 6) is flat, e.g. Ab on a C harp. I just created a NM for a customer from a (ahem) Richter harp, and since he was only familiar with the Suzuki tuning, I had to tune 6 and 10 draw flat. I made sure that was what he wanted, because most folks want there to be a bend on hole 6.
Last Edited by Gnarly on Sep 04, 2019 9:32 AM
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timeistight
2295 posts
Sep 04, 2019
1:21 PM
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Fun fact: 6 blow on a Richter-tuned A harp is in every white key major scale.
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groyster1
3432 posts
Sep 04, 2019
2:14 PM
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@gnarly…...don't understand your meaning of wrong thread.….my point was that 6 blow is part of the blues scale....I use it quite often.....all notes in blues scale work very well.....stick with the blues scale and you cant go wrong
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Lyle
43 posts
Sep 09, 2019
3:12 PM
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Gnarly, you said:
"Now draw 6 . . . that's the ninth of the cross key, and a popular one to bend when you want to sound jazzy. In 5th the bent note is the natural 4, usually a part of a standard melody."
Do you mean hole 3 whole step bend is the 4th degree of the scale in 5th position? Because wouldn't 6 draw bend (only bends a half step) be the 3rd degree of the scale in 5th position?
And you also said, "On the Suzuki Manji Natural Minor, that note (and now I mean the draw 6) is flat, e.g. Ab on a C harp."
Don't you mean harmonic minor? On natural minor harps, isn't the 6 draw the same note as on a major harp? Or does Suzuki do it differently?
Last Edited by Lyle on Sep 09, 2019 3:13 PM
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Komuso
823 posts
Sep 09, 2019
4:42 PM
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Suzuki natural minor are tuned to a Japanese minor scale, so a little different from the Lee Oskar Natural Minor. Caught me out, but it's a nice tuning once you get your ears around it.
I suspect it's due to tuning it for Japanese minor scales which predominantly feature a 2b not a 2, such as Insen, Hirajoshi, Iwato, hon kumoi shiouzh. (though I've seen Hirajoshi specified as 2 or 2b, seems to be some difference of opinion somewhere)
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Lyle
44 posts
Sep 09, 2019
7:46 PM
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Interesting! I also found the tuning charts at http://www.suzukimusic.com/harmonicas/notation/
However, it seems the chart for their 7th tuning has some errors, or a least some inconsistencies. For example, on the C 7th tuning harp chart, hole 10 draw is an Ab. Go up a semitone to Db, and the chart shows its hole 10 draw is a Bb. The D and Eb charts are even weirder. Are they really are tuned this way? Perhaps Gnarly can clarify this, as well as my question about 5th position.
Last Edited by Lyle on Sep 09, 2019 7:49 PM
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Gnarly
2695 posts
Sep 11, 2019
8:20 AM
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Hi--sorry I'm late, I brought a note--Nate had to issue me a new password.
I mean the unbent 6 draw--so on a C harp, it's an A, which is the 4th of E (which is Fifth position).
And with regard to the Suzuki Manji Natural Minor harps, their charts have some inaccuracies--but the tuning is first position Aeolian, so the 6ths are flat.
In other words, when you play cross harp, there's a flat nine instead of the major nine you are used to bending on hole 6 draw.
And groyster, I was referencing the "blow draw" nomenclature imbroglio. I certainly don't deny Iceman his right to rally for terms he finds acceptable--but I AM trying to have a little fun here before I die.
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groyster1
3443 posts
Sep 11, 2019
8:41 AM
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nothing wrong at all about having a little fun.....
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nowmon
217 posts
Sep 12, 2019
5:42 AM
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6 blow, is the higher root note on the JUKE riff.
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Gnarly
2696 posts
Sep 12, 2019
8:52 AM
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@nowmon Yup, it's the same as 2 draw and 3 blow in the next octave. The root of the cross key. The fifth of the native key. It is, how you say, the first overtone.
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