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kudzurunner
6353 posts
Oct 20, 2017
11:49 AM
Here's what effortless mastery looks like. Nothing shrill or "emotive." Nothing forced. Father and son working like a team.




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jbone
2372 posts
Oct 20, 2017
2:05 PM
You got that 100% right Adam. Mr. Bell's family band Tough Luck- and the album by that name- was something of a turning point for me as a harp player some 15 years ago. Not "just" Carey's playing although that was central, but the way his players so fully supported his lyrics, vocals, and harp work. One unit.

The way I have described it is, you can actually FEEL the LOVE coming out of those songs.

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The Iceman
3376 posts
Oct 20, 2017
2:44 PM
btw, Kenny Werner's book "EFFORTLESS MASTERY" is a must have for study if you are a serious student of music (or almost anything else)
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DanP
353 posts
Oct 20, 2017
5:31 PM
I met Carey at a bar gig about 20 years ago and told him he's the best chromatic player I ever heard in person. He said, "I'm still learning."
1847
4505 posts
Oct 24, 2017
6:08 PM
You got me guessing ….bout a few things I need to know…..
Yes …You got me guessing ….bout a few things I need to know
You got me doing something right now
That I never did before…..
bonedog569
1096 posts
Oct 27, 2017
12:29 AM
Yeah - been hip to this video for a while now and have been doing some practicing to it. Effortless - and right on.
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johan d
97 posts
Oct 27, 2017
2:46 AM
@TheIceman,

Isn't this just a book that makes it all so easy, and with a lot of ZEN talk, like "let your fingers/mouth play it for you, and it will sound beautiful..." and all of that? While the writer is into music from his childhood and over 50 yrs...?
The Iceman
3379 posts
Oct 27, 2017
4:58 AM
johan d:

why not get a copy of the book and see for yourself?
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Honkin On Bobo
1488 posts
Oct 27, 2017
8:26 AM
Or you could do what I did which is read the reviews on amazon (both good and bad). I'd say your take on it, johan, sums up nicely what was said in the bad reviews, and no, I did not get the book. By the way, it's interesting what a turn the thread has taken. In kudzu's original post, I think he was referring to effortlessness as it appears in one's playing. One who has already mastered an instrument that is. Not effortlessness in the acquisition of the mastery itself. I'm firmly convinced the latter doesn't exist, though I can't prove it.

Last Edited by Honkin On Bobo on Oct 27, 2017 11:58 AM
SuperBee
5060 posts
Oct 28, 2017
1:07 AM
I’d say that is not really an accurate summary of the book. I can see how a person could form that impression though, especially if they only read the first chapter or 2.
The Iceman
3380 posts
Oct 28, 2017
4:54 AM
The book will be read (or reviewed) by two types of reader - some will get it, others will not.

If you feel that Meditation is an excuse to be lazy and just sit, you will give this book a bad review.

If you understand Tai Chi, Yoga, Meditation, etc, as something very valuable that opens up your mind, then you will give this book a 5 star revue.
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Andrew
1706 posts
Oct 28, 2017
7:57 AM
Zen and the Art of Thread Hijacking, lol!
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LSB
284 posts
Oct 28, 2017
8:09 AM
LMAO, Good one Andrew!
dougharps
1603 posts
Oct 28, 2017
8:24 AM
The book has been previously discussed here and is well known in some music circles. I suspect that Adam knowingly appropriated the title for this excellent video he posted to serve as an example.

So I would not characterize it a hijacking for The Iceman to discuss the book in this thread.

I have not read the book. After all, "the tao that can be spoken is not the eternal tao..."

I got the quote from a book I read. ;>)

I would rather play music in the moment.
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Last Edited by dougharps on Oct 28, 2017 8:25 AM
kudzurunner
6355 posts
Oct 28, 2017
4:24 PM
No, actually Andrew is correct. I'm familiar with the Kenny Werner book, but this thread wasn't about that. It was about how good Carey and Lurrie Bell are in this particular video. Iceman hijacked the thread. Ho hum. Perhaps we can get back to discussing Carey and Lurrie Bell.

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The Iceman
3381 posts
Oct 28, 2017
4:39 PM
I thought the title of thread was effortless mastery - of course, since I found the book to be of great interest as a musician, I put in a plug...to avoid confusion and the horrible ho hum of "hijacking", perhaps thread titles shouldn't be the same as a book title to eliminate any potential conflicts of interest?

(My take was exactly the same as dougharp's - I figured Adam knew of the book and appropriated its title here)
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Last Edited by The Iceman on Oct 28, 2017 4:46 PM
johan d
98 posts
Oct 29, 2017
12:47 PM
Great video!
Meanwhile, I bought the book and will give it a try.
jbone
2378 posts
Oct 30, 2017
6:29 AM
I know a drummer who worked with Carey several times and told some tales. Which need not be enumerated here. He also said kind of what I said above. Carey had a unique ability to kind of radiate a sort of very nice vibe. This drummer always jumped at a chance to fly out someplace and sit in behind Carey.
As far as book and thread titles, you say poTAYto, I say poTAHto. At the end of the day is that a big deal? How many different songs- or books for that matter- have identical titles?
I get what Adam was saying there.

Sometimes we may want to take a statement- title included- for what it is.
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The Iceman
3382 posts
Oct 30, 2017
7:22 AM
Thread title "effortless mastery" may refer to a video or a book written...

I enjoy the fact that people can see the exact same information and interpret it in their own way - and everyone is correct even though they analyze it differently.

No one's opinion is "more correct" or "better" than anyone else's.
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SuperBee
5062 posts
Oct 30, 2017
1:18 PM
I loved this video; I mean the entire ‘gettin’ up’ video from which the clip in the OP is drawn. It’s great to have such a relic from late in his life. I don’t have a lot of his records, just the Harpslinger and Dynasty albums, and the Alligator record he made with Horton, plus some sideman features like the final Jimmy Rogers album. Would like to hear more.
Komuso
713 posts
Oct 30, 2017
5:50 PM
>>No one's opinion is "more correct" or "better" than anyone else's.



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Loz123
61 posts
Oct 31, 2017
12:07 PM
I was watching this the other day and thinking the same thing stunning blues. His sound is awesome. Hes got such a great tone and sound and appears to be playing with louse hands not the conventional way we are taught to play with a tight cup. Can anyone work out his rig do I hear a delay pedal there.

thanks

loz
The Iceman
3383 posts
Oct 31, 2017
5:03 PM
Looks like one of those nice custom mics, but I wouldn't know which one. I believe he may be using a touch of reverb on that fender amp.

This is how fantastic the harmonica sounds when you breath it - not suck and blow. No need for tight cup at this volume level. Let the reeds in the harmonica speak for themselves without forcing them. Pity that more live performances don't move toward this end of the volume spectrum.
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