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what exactly is the new LWB Clean Cat pedal
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Popculture Chameleon
183 posts
Nov 15, 2016
7:03 AM
There really wasn't much of a description of what the pedal was in Jason Ricci's you tube demo. In fact only the guitar was played on it. Im still rather perplexed as what it is suppose to do for harp
tmf714
2948 posts
Nov 15, 2016
7:39 AM
Check Jasons Facebook post-goes into a little bit more detail there.
Killa_Hertz
1927 posts
Nov 16, 2016
4:45 AM
I think its a clean boost. Probably similar to a Xotic EP Booster. But slightly tweaked to harp.

Just my guess.

So its would be like a Harp Break without the breakup.

Hopefully one of those guys will weigh in here and set it straight.
NathanLWBC
104 posts
Nov 16, 2016
7:39 AM
It's a clean boost with plenty of headroom so that you can...

A) Step out for solos, lead breaks, etc.

B) Push a hotter signal through your pedalboard for different tonal results.

C) Push a hotter signal into the preamp for different tonal results.

Things that set it apart from other boosts...

A) The effect is tonally voiced for Jason's tastes.

B) It has more headroom.

C) The input stage is more harp friendly than most (some guitar pedals have a similar input stage, these are the ones that work better for harp).

D) The gain structure is setup so that, even at the lowest setting, the pedal still gives a boost (please note, some guitar pedals function similarly in this regard).

For what it's worth, this is the first Lone Wolf pedal designed by myself instead of Randy.
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rogonzab
1006 posts
Nov 16, 2016
7:49 AM
it is something like a Xotic EP Booster?
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Greg Heumann
3294 posts
Nov 16, 2016
8:53 AM
I'm guessing it has LESS gain boost than most guitar overdrive pedals. Those, in my experience, are all feedback monsters when used with microphones. Would that be a fair assessment, Nathan?
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ValleyDuke
109 posts
Nov 16, 2016
1:00 PM
I love these boost and clean overdrive pedals - make amps sound good.

@Greg I use a small solid state bass amp that comes with overdrive, but these types of pedals push it more. Maybe more feedback w/tubes.

@Nathan Check out this thread about the EH Bass Soul Food - it has some comments from the designer:

https://www.talkbass.com/threads/new-ehx-bass-soul-food.1125816/page-2
Popculture Chameleon
184 posts
Nov 16, 2016
5:23 PM
so is it like a BBE sonic stomp? am i on the right track saying that?

Last Edited by Popculture Chameleon on Nov 16, 2016 5:23 PM
Jaime
6 posts
Nov 16, 2016
6:28 PM
I believe it is more like a EHX LPB1
Barley Nectar
1271 posts
Nov 16, 2016
10:14 PM
Clean boost= larger amplitude signal out which is variable. Frequency of the signal is unaltered. On a scope the input would look the same as the output but output would be bigger. Nothing like the BBE. I personally would not have a use for this pedal, but I'm no pro! This may be useful for helping out a weak mic or low gain amp like the old Gibson's. No doubt Moon Cat could set the stage on fire with one!

Last Edited by Barley Nectar on Nov 16, 2016 10:22 PM
dougharps
1300 posts
Nov 17, 2016
7:36 AM
I could see this being useful if you have a low output mic and a low gain amp. However, most of the time it seems that people already have to struggle with feedback because of the combination of high output mics and too much gain from the amp's preamp stages. That is why people with hot harp mics swap tubes for less gain.

Another possible use is to avoid signal loss with long pedal chains, to provide signal boost to the amp.

This kind of pedal is not useful for my needs, though I am not a big pedal user anyway. My mics and amps work together just fine without a boost pedal.

I would prefer to use a 7 band EQ pedal instead, if I had need for any boost. You could get boost from the EQ pedal output volume if needed, and have better control over adjusting frequencies for your sound and to control frequencies causing feedback.
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Doug S.

Last Edited by dougharps on Nov 17, 2016 7:39 AM
NathanLWBC
105 posts
Nov 17, 2016
8:02 AM
@Greg...The gain structure is setup in a way so that nearly the entire range will work with larger, higher headroom rigs.

@Valleyduke...Thanks for that. I'm a bass player, and I frequent TB daily. Shame I missed that the first time around. Very interesting.

@Popculture Chameleon...No, the Sonic Stomp is a baked-in EQ pedal.

In general, the Clean Cat should be used with an amp that has headroom. I most certainly won't be advising any guys gigging with Champs to pick one up.
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--Nathan Heck
General Manager, Lone Wolf Blues Co.
customerservice@lonewolfblues.com
1847
3832 posts
Nov 17, 2016
8:15 AM
C) The input stage is more harp friendly than most (some guitar pedals have a similar input stage, these are the ones that work better for harp).

can you explain this? does this refer to the input impedance?

is the input 1 meg or higher? would this work well with the terminator pedal?

thanks again 47
ValleyDuke
110 posts
Nov 17, 2016
11:50 AM
@Nathan I'm looking forward to the Clean Cat so I can go:

dynamic mic>LW Clean Cat>LW V2 delay>EH Bass Soul Food>Fender ss bass amp

Thanks for your work!
NathanLWBC
106 posts
Nov 18, 2016
7:09 AM
@1847...The input stage has a 1M termination, which is not always the case for guitar pedals, and it goes through an IC buffer before hitting the gain stage. This pedal will work well with the Terminator.

@ValleyDuke...That sounds like a sweet setup. Depending on that bass amp, you should have heaps of headroom to play with.
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General Manager, Lone Wolf Blues Co.
customerservice@lonewolfblues.com
Barley Nectar
1273 posts
Nov 18, 2016
9:05 PM
Interesting...What is the bass amp VD? A guy was using a 2x10 Fender Rumble the other night. I was eyeing that thing up...Hmmm

Last Edited by Barley Nectar on Nov 18, 2016 9:14 PM
ValleyDuke
111 posts
Nov 19, 2016
7:26 AM
I got a Fender Rumble 25 for home use. If was in a band, I'd get the Rumble 40 with 10" speaker and master volume. This is my first bass amp and I love it. Didn't realize how different they are from gtr amps.

I also love 10" speakers so that 2x10 would be fun!
Thievin' Heathen
874 posts
Nov 19, 2016
10:39 AM
All this talk about solid state bass amps makes me want to go out to the shed and plug a 58 into an old TKO65. Who needs all the tube maintenance hassles?
Moon Cat
615 posts
Nov 20, 2016
5:24 PM
Hey guys here's a run through of ALL my gear including a sneak peak at the "CLEAN CAT"! As Junior Wells once said: "It's easier to play it for you than to explain it for you"

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www.mooncat.org

Last Edited by Moon Cat on Nov 20, 2016 5:28 PM
dougharps
1304 posts
Nov 22, 2016
1:11 PM
Awesome, Jason!

Thanks for your ongoing harmonica playing and sharing of information.
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Moon Cat
616 posts
Nov 23, 2016
9:41 PM
Thanks Doug it simultaneously really fun and frustrating making gear videos...It's so much easier to show what the stuff does in an actual artistic context than just one by one. Also I could really spend at least 10 minutes or more on each piece of gear so I have to kinda rush through it. I do think that is the best attempt so far though...
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www.mooncat.org
Thievin' Heathen
879 posts
Nov 24, 2016
2:52 PM
Wow Moon Cat. Your sponsors really got their nickels worth with that one. And so did we.
Moon Cat
617 posts
Nov 24, 2016
4:54 PM
Man I try! They're some hard working folks! Nathan Heck who did all the REAL work on the Clean Cat and so many others at L.W. is a beast! The kid REALLY cares and had my back here on the forum while I was locked out cuz of a password prob. Brian at Harp Gear, Tom at Blue Moon and our man Joe Spiers are more than just endorsers they're good friends. I love those guys and I mean that.
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www.mooncat.org

Last Edited by Moon Cat on Nov 24, 2016 10:12 PM
gmacleod15
281 posts
Nov 26, 2016
6:00 AM
Waited all week to watch the MCs video. Thanks Jason

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SuperBee
4309 posts
Nov 26, 2016
7:34 PM
Very good video. Very clear. Much appreciated
Thanks.
Oh yeah, cracked up during my favourite things. Very good!

Last Edited by SuperBee on Nov 26, 2016 7:35 PM


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