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Pat Loiselle - Memphis Mini Amp
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Coyote
9 posts
Sep 01, 2016
9:09 AM
Goldbrick
1592 posts
Sep 01, 2016
10:28 AM
demonstrator seems to have only one word in his adjective vocabulary ( great )-why was it great ?

I thought it sounded ok by itself but lost definition when lined out

With pedal you are talking $500 -- kind steep for a 6 watter .

You are now about the same price as a used Fender Princeton which is much more versatile, has more power , built in spring reverb and much easier to resell if need be and made on this continent
Owen Evans
190 posts
Sep 01, 2016
10:01 PM
@Goldbrick: the demonstrator is a French Canadian (any of us speak English and French as our country is bilingual) and his first language is French. I believe he may use the word "great" because even though he could articulate it better in French, 'you' wouldn't understand it. So he uses a word which suffices and let's his playing say the rest. He can do this on a guitar; a banjo; a dobro; a mandolin and a harmonica. A talented musician to say the least.
As for the new Fender Princeton, it is another amp altogether. 1 x 10" with 15 watts and new it sells for a $1,000.00. It better be louder as it was designed to be. But that is twice the price of a new Mini with a Delay pedal. I have never seen a used Princeton for $500. Oh yeah the Princeton doesn't have a line out either. Sorry, I don't agree with your assessment here.
Goldbrick
1594 posts
Sep 02, 2016
7:59 AM
I didnt say a thing about his playing good or bad- so why do you bring that as an issue?

His playing ability did nothing to make that amp sound " greater " than lots of other amps. We are talking about amp qualities not how good the player is on multiple instruments

I bought my used Princeton Reverb in great shape 2 years ago for $495 at Guitar center. Not that hard to find




BTW the passport is not a real "great" PA so that may be part of the reason for a muddy line out sound

I live in Hollywood , Fl which is a bastion of French Canadians-many of whom are quite articulate in English.
And why do you assume I dont speak French, mon ami ?


Its just not a demonstration that puts the amp in its best light imho
1847
3650 posts
Sep 02, 2016
8:50 AM
who calls himself sunnyboy gumbo? that is hilarious.... he does seem to be a fine player
i also use the riff at the beginning, i stole it from jerry portnoy, it sounds like he "sunnyboy gumbo" got it from big walter

ok the princeton does not have a line out, you make it sound as if that is a bad thing?
most professional sound men would mic an amp up given the option. it is the industry standard.

the memphis mini would benefit from a speaker up grade.
1847
3651 posts
Sep 02, 2016
8:53 AM
oh by the way.... there is one born every minute.
pardon my french.
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Owen Evans
191 posts
Sep 02, 2016
9:06 AM
Je vous demande pardon pour en supposant que vous ne parlez pas français. S'il vous plaît excuser ma présomption.

That said,I brought the musicianship into context as it spoke for him instead of he articulating thoughts in English which may have not been his comfort zone. You chose to point out that his adjective vocabulary was deficient. And if he played poorly we wouldn't have been able to discern the character of the sound of the amplifier.

As for playing more than one instrument, he showed the versatility of the amp to accomplish it's abilities in this arena. Some amps are not so versatile.

I am glad you found an Princeton amp at that price, I have not.

I will continue to disagree with your humble opinion. I believe Pat gave us a very good 'light' on the sound of the Memphis Mini in his video. I can say this with confidence, imho, since I have owned and played on one for over 18 months and I know it's characteristics quite well. Have a pleasant day.
1847
3653 posts
Sep 02, 2016
9:20 AM
tweed fender clone $325.00 free shipping
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Owen Evans
192 posts
Sep 02, 2016
9:24 AM
@1847 - did you ever think that micing an amp is an industry standard because good sounding line outs are not usually included in an amp? Perhaps it is done by necessity instead of want? Just sayin'

What better speaker would you suggest for the Memphis Mini and why? The Weber works really well for me.

As for the innuendo of sucker; Votre français est inexcusable, il ne faut pas blamer pour votre insulte.
Coyote
10 posts
Sep 02, 2016
9:42 AM
1847, I have a memphis mini amp. What speaker upgrade do you think would be good?
1847
3654 posts
Sep 02, 2016
9:51 AM
sorry it was an inside joke. you were not here at the time. others will get it.

line outs have been around for ages. it is common knowledge that mic'ing an amp is the way it is done.

notice that adam uses small amps, he recently ordered 4 or 5 mic cords. he did not have a line out installed on his amp. it would be very easy to do so, but he chooses to mic up his amps. if i am not mistaken one of his amps may already have a line out installed.

the weber signature line of speakers are not really top of the line.
a simple upgrade to a weber vintage would do the trick.

i have a vintage tweed champ, with a tone tubby alnico speaker.
the only issues is making it fit, i think i have finally figure out the best way to make it work, it has not been simple as i thought. also warehouse guitar speakers make some of the best speaker anywhere.
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Coyote
11 posts
Sep 02, 2016
10:43 AM
1847, I think it sounds "great" just the way it is.

Goldbrick
1595 posts
Sep 02, 2016
10:54 AM
I guess different strokes 'cause that speaker sound like its farting out to me.
No definition just a blob of bottom
1847
3656 posts
Sep 02, 2016
11:15 AM
HOLY SHIT!... nice playing.

the better weber speaker may not fit anyway. you could try one of these not at all expensive.
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Kingley
4045 posts
Sep 02, 2016
12:06 PM
Personally I thought that in the first clip, the amp sounded better for guitar than harp.
SuperBee
4065 posts
Sep 02, 2016
2:19 PM
I saw one of these for the first time a couple weeks ago. I can't quite remember what it was called, but I was struck by how tiny they are. I had always assumed they were tweed champ size.
The one I saw had a cheap celestion (edit!) in it. The guitarist who owned it said he was happy enough with it.
I spoke with a sales rep for the factory in Shenzhen. She was happy to make volume deals but it's a very small market for harp amps here. There are already several people selling them as guitar amps over here (different speakers). In one case the retailer has close to a 300% markup on the landed price. Another is asking a far more reasonable price, marked up only 50%. I personally do not need another 5 watt amp but if one wanted to get into the harp amp supply game, these are available pretty cheap, especially if you can move 100 units and have $20g to speculate with.
There are risks of course.
The same company produces a number of larger traditional-type amps too.

Last Edited by SuperBee on Sep 02, 2016 2:20 PM
Owen Evans
193 posts
Sep 02, 2016
2:23 PM
@1847 - An inside joke which isn't explained is just malicious. That's the second time you've offended me today. I take umbrage with your attitude.
If you have an opinion of your own let's hear it.
So far everything you have said is relevant to another amplifier; someone else's knowledge; a top of the line speaker does not equate to the correct speaker for the task (it's just more expensive & may not be optimum to the task) and then you say the recommended speaker may not fit.
Can you get the story straight and not shoot insults like "sucker" at me in future posts. Thankyou.
1847
3659 posts
Sep 02, 2016
2:34 PM
owen that comment was not in any way directed to or at you. sorry if it was construed that way, totally my fault. i sincerely apologized. i enjoy reading all your post.
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SuperBee
4068 posts
Sep 02, 2016
3:03 PM
Mini works out about $800 landed here i think (maybe a little more), if purchased from Rick. $AUD
Can buy the base unit for $300 locally, but the speaker is another C on that, and 3 caps to change if you really want the MM configuration.
the line out on these is just a pretty basic voltage divider from the speaker jack iirc.
As for the Princeton, I'd be happy to find one at the same price but then again not really as I have one for sale.
Recently saw a 74 silver-face (non-reverb) go for $2G here. Same guy sold a genuine tweed for $2400. Australian$.
Mine is a 78 reverb in very good order but not as pretty as some. If I can't get $1200 for it I'll keep it.
hvyj
3116 posts
Sep 02, 2016
3:22 PM
I don't get it, I guess. When I was part of the house band for a weekly blues jam for a year or so, there were a couple of harp players who'd bring one of these things in and try to play through it. Don't really know what they sounded like because it was either inaudible because it was so outgunned by the guitars and keyboard, or all you could hear was howling feedback. One guy also brought a mic in to mic the amp, but the house PA did not have enough inputs for him to be able to plug in. So, what's the point of bringing an amp if you have to mic it in orfer to be heard? I don't get it. The whole idea of bringing an amp is to be able to have independent control of your own sound, but what good does it do you if you have to be dependent on the PA in order to be heard? This sort of thing doesn't make sense to me. One guy asked if he could line his out to my Delta Blues, I agreed and It sounded pretty decent, but most things will sound pretty good played through a DB. So, why not just buy a DB in the first place (1x 15, 30 watts)?
1847
3661 posts
Sep 02, 2016
3:35 PM
ok i will explain a bit... i own a vintage tweed champ 57? it is one of the all time great guitar and harmonica amplifiers.
it is a great amp, i have posted a dozen of example's of me using it with out mic'ing it...... with it mic'd....... with it daisy chained into another amp.

the person who is importing the memphis mini spent a month of sundays trying to convince me and everyone else
that it it not at all possible to use a small amp like that in a live situation, it will never ever in a million years work.
qoute 'leave the bedroom amp at home"....... but to make matters worse, the entire time he was trying to convince us what a foolish
idea it would be to even attempt to use one "live. ..........he was on the phone to china. ordering a boatload of them to sell. the entire time!
'sorry' that has to be the strangest marketing scheme i have ever experienced. who the hell trashes the same product you are attempting to sell?
he left here in a huff after someone made the comment.. ... there's one born every minute....... he can apparently dish it out, but he cannot seem to take it.

now it seems he has paid someone to advertize that little amp here, which HE would do here tirelessly up until he left.

i have one amp that has a line out.... a hughes and kettner redbox is built in to tubemeister 5 watt amp. it works ok
but it is just as easy to put a mic on it... you get the sound of the speaker that way.
SuperBee
4070 posts
Sep 02, 2016
3:37 PM
I think people use them as a kind of preamp for the pa.
I have a number of amps around this size. They're OK in certain situations but as you say Hvyj, often inaudible on stage and somewhat feedback prone when used miced up. The line out does make them a bit better about feedback but basically useless as a monitor still unless you can position them just right.
There are situations where they are ok though.
SuperBee
4071 posts
Sep 02, 2016
3:43 PM
Ah yeah 1847, that is quite true about the 'bedroom amp' statements and the context.
But I think to be fair, Rick decided to stop posting here once it became clear it was impossible for him to be seen as doing anything other than advertise his amp. I think he made the right choice.
PeterG
61 posts
Sep 02, 2016
4:44 PM
A small practice amp can sound pretty good in a small practice room? Quelle surprise!
Owen Evans
194 posts
Sep 02, 2016
8:02 PM
@1847 - Thankyou, I appreciate the apology. It's behind us & bygones are bygones.


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