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Gig riders
Gig riders
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didjcripey
1043 posts
Jun 03, 2016
3:12 AM
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So, like many musicians, we've done a few gigs where the management has said one thing when booking the band and another when time comes to pay up or share the love with a few drinks and a bit of hospitality. Just knocked back a gig because we couldn't reach an agreement.
They approached us and were keen to have us.
It was for a pretty big pub venue who were putting on a Reggae, Roots and Rock night. We were to be the headline act, one set, midnight to 1:00 am, PA and sound guy provided. 5 piece band, 500 bucks. We asked for cash payment on the night but it was no deal, we could invoice them and then leave it to the accountant (hope your not in a hurry). They said drinks would be provided, I put in the rider 'open bar' which was also rejected; 'we never do open bar for a band; we'll buy the band a drink or two'. Company policy on both points, not negotiable. To top it off, there were noise restrictions so the drummer had to use an electronic drum kit, which he wasn't happy about.
Thanks but no thanks. I don't know for sure, but I reckon they'd be making enough on the night to pay us and look after us properly. We're not desperate to play; we've had some great gigs and don't need the money, some good ones on the horizon.
How about you guys? Do you have a rider? What do you specify on it?
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Lucky Lester
Last Edited by didjcripey on Jun 03, 2016 3:14 AM
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kudzurunner
5982 posts
Jun 03, 2016
3:51 AM
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I haven't had any formal rider in years, but when Satan and Adam were picked up by Margo Lewis and Talent Consultants International back in 1991, we did have a rider. It included, as I recall, something like the following:
--a private band area or dressing room
--a plate of deli sandwiches sufficient for three people, or the equivalent.
--water, juice & soft drinks, and coffee w/creamer
--a six-pack of beer, iced
--a fifth of Johnny Walker Black
And of course, a 50% deposit up front, due on signing, with the remainder to be paid in cash to the band, rain or shine, before the band went onstage, with all percentages (points) due within an hour after the band's performance
The Scotch and beer were there--and maybe the coffee--because Margo said, "What do you want in the rider?" and I said "A fifth of Johnny Walker Black." But I hadn't really thought it through. If we played three gigs in three days, I certainly didn't need a fifth every night. But the people who hired us provided it.
You have to remember, Margo was representing Bo Diddley, Wilson Pickett, the Village People, and any number of other retro rock and metal acts. Ours was probably the tamest rider she'd ever put out there. No blue M&M's!
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harmonicanick
2469 posts
Jun 03, 2016
11:07 AM
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gigs I do:
no open bar, because they will lose money
2 drinks per band member strict (take hip flask)
fifth of scotch??? (take hip flask)
money as agreed at the end of performance or into your a/c
water is always free
don't tell them you don't need the money
one hour for a set is not long enough
noise restrictions depends on venue, better no drums than shit electronic kit
get repeat gig on the grounds you will increase footfall given time
Charm the person in charge and give them added value
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barbequebob
3233 posts
Jun 04, 2016
9:27 AM
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I rarely have ever used a rider but one I'll never forget was when I was on the road with Luther Guitar Junior Johnson in 1988 and we were gigging at a motel lounger in Chattanooga, TN and the other band was a CT based band called Eight To The Bar and I had a chance to sneak a peek at their contract and their riders were four pages using a 10 point font long. It included everything from drinks, food, what the temperature of the dressing room had to be and a helluva lot more.
A now defunct rockabilly band based out of Boston had a rider that also was in much larger print stating that the band plays very loud, so be for warned.
The original reason for a rider on a contract was to make damned sure that the club owner/manager/booking agent/talent buyer read the contract FULLY even tho the artist/artist management may not really want to fully enforce everything it says on it.
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Rubes
986 posts
Jun 05, 2016
1:07 AM
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Try to get gIgs In one of the many up and comIng Micro-brewerIes...and yeah..charm them and It should FLOW...
(but sometImes It's lIke tryIng to get blood out of a stone..)
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Old Man Rubes at Reverbnation
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Last Edited by Rubes on Jun 05, 2016 1:09 AM
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SuperBee
3821 posts
Jun 05, 2016
4:53 AM
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Our riders were usually booze...a slab behind the bar or in the green room frige. Often meals as well. Some places were drinks at staff prices (usually 50%), or they give us tickets for drinks over the bar. Getting paid was usually arranged in advance...I remember one night Mark felt so bad about the poor turnout and our poor performance he asked us if it would be OK to give half the fee back to the publican. The publican said he was happy if we put it over the bar...
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didjcripey
1044 posts
Jun 05, 2016
11:19 PM
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Yeah, I hear you Superbee. We did a festival where we had about 350 people. Had a ball. Unfortunately for the promoter, he needed about five times that many to just to break even. They looked after us so well, and it was so worth it for us, that we waived our fee.
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Lucky Lester
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Diggsblues
2036 posts
Jun 06, 2016
11:01 AM
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When I worked in the Juan Avila Band Juan was a master of Riders. He always seemed to get us a full meal on the house. Trump Plaza Casino always gave free food, techs and equipment.
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Mighty Slim
56 posts
Jun 09, 2016
10:28 AM
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Here is an article about and a link to the rider for Iggy Pop and The Stooges -- 18 pages long and very funny.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/backstage/arena-rock/iggy-pop-06#lightbox-popup-1
Slim
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