gmacleod15
271 posts
Feb 25, 2016
5:47 AM
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When jamming with my friends I like to use 2 mics, one for vocals and/or acoustic harp and the second mic for a more blues over-driven sound. Both need to be active at the same time.
Some of my amps only have one input therefore I require a second amp if I want to run both mics. I prefer to not have to bring the second amp.
What is the best method to run both mics. I see there are some AB pedals that seem to do this? Is there anything I should avoid like a simple Y adapter?
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Harpaholic
850 posts
Feb 25, 2016
9:59 AM
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Have you checked out Skip Simmons AB pedal! I'm pretty sure you can run into two amps as well as two mics into one amp without any signal or tone loss.
Not sure if he is advertising them yet, you may need to send him an email.
I do think a portable PA works better for vocals, acoustic harp.
A good tube amp rig for Chicago sound.
Last Edited by Harpaholic on Feb 25, 2016 11:38 AM
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toneguy86
38 posts
Feb 25, 2016
11:17 AM
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I just have never found a set up that did both. For rehearsals these days, I have a powered PA speaker and a small board and run a vocal mic into one and my instrument stuff into another channel using a Joyo character pedal. Easy and simple. It isn't my gig set up, but for practice or jams it's pretty good. I've never found an amp that did both things adequately...
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gmacleod15
272 posts
Feb 25, 2016
11:38 AM
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A little bit of searching and I found a cheap $40 Behringer mixer that looks like it will do what I want.
http://www.amazon.ca/Behringer-MX400-Ultra-Low-Noise-4-Channel/dp/B000KGYAYQ
With regards to having an amp do both adequately...I find if set the amp eq for the vocal mic and then modify my harp mic setting using the Joyo American Sound pedal to add back some mids and lows it works OK.
Again this is just me and the guys jamming so not to worried about large stage and audience.
Any other suggestions will be appreciated...especially a pedal that may provide other functions as a bonus.
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Harp Study
189 posts
Feb 25, 2016
7:00 PM
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I use a cheap nady 4 channel mixer for this. Both mics have to be hi-z, but other than that it works well. I even add a stomp box through one of the open channels.
http://www.amazon.com/Nady-MM-141-4-Channel-unbalanced-Mixer/dp/B0009X9H9I
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Bugfan
25 posts
Feb 26, 2016
3:22 AM
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Maybe you need something like my amp.... Fender PA100...Valve driven PA amp 4 channels, each with their own tone controls and 2 inputs.... Preamp and master volume, Mine has master reverb but later model has separate reverb for each channel. Mines fairly heavily modified ( cheap mods though) so each channel is set up for different dirtiness and different input impedance to match different mics or guitar. I also changed it from a head and built it as a low profile combo with 1x 12 & 1 x10 speakers as I didn't want to carry another speaker. Tubed with 6v6 type tubes instead of 6l6 it runs about 45w instead of 100 with a lot more breakup.
Part bassman, part super reverb, part.... I call it my Fender Frankenstein but it works for me. Maybe it could be the dirty of thing for what you want . I am sure there are similar other PA amps out there. Run one channel with a harp pedal and others clean .
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Spderyak
77 posts
Feb 26, 2016
4:55 AM
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I also am starting to use the Nady 4 channel mixer, just got it a little while ago.
I also have a small amp with a jam coming up this weekend elec guitars etc.
I'm thinking I plug my stuff into the mixer...then over to the small amp, use it as a pre amp and send it over to a bigger amp or Pa system.
So far every thing has worked with the acoustic guitars that can plug in. It will be the 1st test if it can handle elec , rockin roll etc..overly loud guitars that I want to tone down etc..
I know, I know, hard to imagine guitars being overly loud...heh..heh
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gmacleod15
273 posts
Feb 26, 2016
5:38 AM
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@Harp Study, that Nady mixer is similar to the Behringer I looked at. You mentioned adding a stomp box to the the open channel...what do you use and why?
@Bugfan...your amp system sounds good but since I have six vintage amps now I don't want to buy another.
What about hardwiring in a new input on my amp so that there are 2 inputs. Are there special components required or is it as simple as wiring a new female plug to the existing one.
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Halffast
28 posts
Feb 26, 2016
9:12 AM
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I picked up a Nady and really like it . Harp mic goes through delay , reverb , and bypass pedals to the mixer . Vocal mic goes clean into another channel . That leaves two to add a stomp box drum or whatever else I think I need . Nice little , inexpensive unit .
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Harp Study
190 posts
Feb 26, 2016
10:18 AM
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@gmacleod15: I am referring to a percussive stomp box. I've got several that I've made, but what actually works the best for me is a microphone stuffed under a wooden box ran to an EQ pedal with the lows pushed and the highs pulled out, then into the mixer. I stomp on the box to simulate a drum. I use it because I mainly play alone. I also sometimes run a guitar into the mixer as well; so it is a handy little unit.
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gmacleod15
274 posts
Feb 26, 2016
11:21 AM
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@Harp Study...yeah I figured that out after Halffast's post. I have a stomp box that I made as well and set it up much the same. OK, another reason to get a little mixer. I have seen prices online for the Nady from $15 to $85. In Canada I am looking at about $40CDN or $30US.
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FreeWilly
478 posts
Feb 26, 2016
11:23 AM
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Yesterday I plugged in two mics in my ART Tube MP. One via 1/4 inch, the other via xlr. I was A/B-ing two mics and was lazy. Seems to work just fine..
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Thievin' Heathen
691 posts
Feb 26, 2016
11:42 AM
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A little OT, but 12-18 months ago I was in a very dusty, old music gear centric thrift store hoping to find a Mic or amp or anything of interest. I got into a long conversation with the owner who, as it turned out, used to run sound for Delbert McClinton. He said the thing I needed for harp was an old Bogen PA. My luck was running high that week, because a few days later a Bogen MX-30 turned up on Craigslist. $75 later I was in possession of it. The previous owner said he'd had someone go thru it and convert it for guitar, which amounted to 1 of the XLR jacks being converted to 1/4” and some of the original tubes being replaced with Groove Tubes. I was a little sad about the tubes, but at $75 wasn't going to make any waves. The guy was a guitar player, playing through a vintage Super Reverb and apparently the Bogen as a harp amp had not yet crossed his mind. So, now I have 3 channels of XLR (oddly, the jacks are backwards) and (1) 1/4”. I've got it plugged into an Acoustic 6x10 cabinet.
You need to get an old tube PA, and a dolly.
Last Edited by Thievin' Heathen on Feb 26, 2016 11:43 AM
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Bugfan
26 posts
Feb 26, 2016
3:57 PM
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@gmacleod15 you can easily wire up another input . you can copy a fender input from the schematic but really if you want to do that then an ABY pedal or a simple Y connector are easier to use than hacking into your amp. I had two other amps also and now just the one. .. It's 25kg but does everything. I must work out how to add a line in to it, so I can input a Jam track into the clean channel.
Last Edited by Bugfan on Feb 26, 2016 7:26 PM
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Barley Nectar
1149 posts
Feb 26, 2016
6:23 PM
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Hmm, I have a PA 100 with the black/white cabs. It's just sitting there. The cabs sound like ass! The head is working, I think...BN
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Bugfan
27 posts
Feb 26, 2016
7:32 PM
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@barley nectar .... I have the complete schematic with all changes if you want it. Pics of the amp as a combo also but not sure I can up load them here. It's easy really just soldering . I guess all up I spent about $30 on parts. The speakers with the pa100 were pretty horrible all right. I have old alnico's in the combo and they sound great.
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