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groyster1
2827 posts
Dec 08, 2015
7:28 AM
I recently spent time with a local guitarist and harp player and he really emphasized the turnaround...when you get to the 9th bar and V chord he said don't be early and don't be late....he stressed the importance of being spot on through the 12th bar
Owen Evans
106 posts
Dec 08, 2015
8:04 AM
@groyster - I've played music for over 50 years and I agree fully with your statement except, I would take it one step further. Timing is 'the' most important part of music, period.
Never have I been more aware of this since I stopped playing guitar and started to learn play the harp. All my life I practised with metronomes so as to stay in time with fellow musicians, and this practice continues. I believe that if you can't be on time, you are letting down the musicians you are playing with.
1847
2958 posts
Dec 08, 2015
9:19 AM
from my limited understanding the turnaround
starts at bar 11. the last two measures are considered
the turnaround.

i know others will disagree....

but when you start a song and call out from the 5
that is the the ninth measure.

sometimes someone will call out... take it from the turnaround. that would refer the last two measures.

just my understanding.

Last Edited by 1847 on Dec 08, 2015 9:19 AM
SuperBee
3044 posts
Dec 08, 2015
1:17 PM
Jerry McCain didn't play them, and I think he may have been onto something
barbequebob
3066 posts
Dec 08, 2015
1:44 PM
Sometimes I don't either and often build solos from the turnaround and that's a trick a lot of jump blues guitar players used to do.
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Gnarly
1544 posts
Dec 08, 2015
3:15 PM
I usually think of the turnaround as the last four bars--certainly in jazz, that is common--but the consensus from the web, when I just looked, is that, in blues, two bars is the standard.

Last Edited by Gnarly on Dec 08, 2015 4:07 PM
slaphappy
143 posts
Dec 08, 2015
4:03 PM
I think it's the last 2 bars.

Dave Barrett calls building into the next chorus from the turnaround a "buildup" and it is very effective, good call Bob.

DB also has a great collection of 5/4/1 and turnaround licks in his improvising studies at bluesharmonica.com which are worthy of study.

Strong 5/4/1 and turnaround playing is where a lot of harp players are not as strong as they should be IMO.


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1847
2959 posts
Dec 08, 2015
4:34 PM


however he plays thru the turnaround here.
Destin
153 posts
Dec 13, 2015
2:21 PM
Adam has a great video on turnarounds for sale, It made my playing much better focusing on just turnaround licks for a little while. Check it out.
PaulOscher
19 posts
Dec 13, 2015
10:18 PM
Hmn i was playing guitar in a sanctified gospel church once and i asked an old woman her name was Mother Dodds "i said whats the diference between Gospel music and the Blues?" She said there aint no diference in the music but when you make that turnaround like they do in the blues YOU Turnin around to the devil !!! Sh was refering to the short group of licks lead back to the five chord and starting the next verse - by the way many songs starting on the 9 measure on the five chord actually came from recording engineer editing the songs at that spot to start the song. the musicians didnt play it like that but then started too after the records came out the reason why they used that as astarting point was because there was alot of energy at that spot in the recording

Last Edited by PaulOscher on Dec 13, 2015 10:28 PM
snowman
111 posts
Dec 14, 2015
10:53 AM
ok did a lesson on a rod piazza turnaround from -chicken shack--Im still workin on it -its way different --Adam does a lot of unique turn arounds as well -- have some OF those in my archives, of stuff I learn-turnarounds can get repetitive --so learning different ones like this helps--- rod also does some quick syncopating --backbeat stuff on this TURNAROUND-- Im giving u the basics----------------[on a note]things that will improve yr playing AUDACITY RECORDER---ANY SLOWDOWNER--IE TRANSCRIBE--ETC-- -ISOLATE IT -SLOW DOWN--RECORD IT PRACTICE IT WHO'S YR DADDY??
hvyj
2896 posts
Dec 14, 2015
9:59 PM
FWIW I regularly lay out on the turnaround.


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