rod150
1 post
Oct 21, 2015
4:07 PM
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So I've been playing this tune for a while so I decided to give it a go with improvising, since you can get a away with mostly playing the major scale. Let me know what you all think I would greatly appreciate tips and advice.
Also wanna apologize for the orientation of the video.
https://youtu.be/bgNP7q7l8ac
Last Edited by rod150 on Oct 21, 2015 4:07 PM
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hvyj
2810 posts
Oct 22, 2015
3:14 PM
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Autumn Leaves is in a MINOR key. You are bending notes, so you are not playing the major scale and you are missing some notes that you need. IMHO this tune is more effectively played in 5th or 4th position. That being said, in general I enjoyed what you were doing with the melody.
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Pistolcat
885 posts
Oct 23, 2015
9:51 AM
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Hvyj, Isnt that in fourth?
I liked it, Rod. Especially your soloing were enjoyable.
I did this song for my YT some time ago but in third on a Low D giving me an 6 OB as the finale note in the first line. Got it so flat it sounds like a B. On the other hand, third gives you a stronger root note, the three hole full step bend is hard to lean and land on, but you do a good job of it. Check it out if you like.
Oh, and welcome to the forum. Great work and keep posting.
Edited: because I'm a hack with bad ears... Sorry
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Last Edited by Pistolcat on Oct 23, 2015 12:58 PM
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The Iceman
2742 posts
Oct 23, 2015
10:00 AM
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'Tis OK to think in terms of a major scale at your point of musical development. It's a simplified approach to this tune.
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The Iceman
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WinslowYerxa
971 posts
Oct 23, 2015
10:32 AM
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Iceman is right.
Let's say you're playing Autumn Leaves in G minor. The notes of G natural minor are the same notes as Bb major. G is the relative minor of Bb, while Bb is the relative major of G.
The only note you need to add to the Bb Major scale is F#, for when the D7 chord comes in G minor.
So using a Bb harp to play this tune in 4th position makes a lot of sense.
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Pistolcat
887 posts
Oct 23, 2015
11:34 AM
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Yes. If Do Re Mi Fa So La Ti is your c major scale then La Ti Do Re Mi Fa So is A (natural)minor scale. So Rod is actually playing the latter, finishing his lines on the three hole full step bend.
If you can play the major pentatonic scale in a position then you have the minor pentatonic in a position three steps to the right in the circle of fifths, too. That is: second position major pentatonic - same notes as fifth position minor pentatonic, twelfth - third, first - fourth and so on.
And the other way around. Know the minor pentatonic in third? then you know major pentatonic in twelfth. Know minor pentatonic in second? Yes, you do! Then you can play eleventh major pentatonic though the root note is three hole half step bend so somewhat tough...
And Winslow is of course correct. The song is in Gm and not Em (my backing track was, though). I have corrected my post above, sorry for the confusion.
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Last Edited by Pistolcat on Oct 23, 2015 12:01 PM
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Sirmixalot
7 posts
Oct 26, 2015
3:54 AM
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you are doing and sounds great. really perfect to help your mix too.ill try this one rod and give it back to you, really good job with your music rod nace sound tone, this is fun thanks ill make you happy and smile when tune is done.
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BeelzeBob
43 posts
Oct 26, 2015
1:10 PM
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http://www.jazclass.aust.com/articles/aut.htm
The web site above suggests playing the G Major scale over the A section (First 4 bars) and the E harmonic minor scale over the B section (second 4 bars). There's only one note difference between those two scales, and I've never been able to use this advice,(I use a chromatic) that is, I haven't heard where it improves my improvising. Any help appreciated.
Also, the C section is much more complicated, correct?
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Kaining
103 posts
Oct 27, 2015
7:13 AM
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You play scales way too much like, well, scales. Trow a little legato here and there, some articulation, some wahwah... i don't know. It's not as easy as it sounds to make a scale pattern more lively but it would help a lot in making your performance more musical than it already is.
Way more at that point than to think about which scales to use over which section or what not.
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rod150
3 posts
Oct 29, 2015
5:37 PM
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Thanks for the feedback everyone :) I'll def try to stay away from scales next time.
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hvyj
2812 posts
Oct 30, 2015
6:59 AM
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@BzeeLBob: If u are playing a diatonic Richter tuned G harp in 4th position you can get E HARMONIC minor by playing 6 draw bent to get Eb which is the major 7th .
Last Edited by hvyj on Oct 30, 2015 7:01 AM
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WinslowYerxa
976 posts
Oct 30, 2015
11:01 AM
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@hvyj -
You're in the wrong key for the OP. he's playing the tune in G minor, not E minor (and on a Bb harp, not a G harp).
So the advice would be to play a Bb major scale and a G harmonic minor scale. (which pretty much amounts to the advice I gave originally, as F# is the one note that distinguishes Bb Major from G harmonic minor).
By the way, this song has no C section, at least the main "blowing" part of the tune is just A and B parts.
@rod150: It's not a question of "staying away" from scales. It's a matter of using them a little more fluidly. Try arpeggiating the chords as they go y, and then mix up bits of scale and bits of arpeggio in ways that create a line.
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Last Edited by WinslowYerxa on Oct 30, 2015 11:05 AM
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