Ok, an extremely over the top animation to make a point, but wholly disingenuous.
The world didn't start out a peaceful place. Where are he dinosaurs, wolves, etc., tearing apart squirrels and bunnies? Volcanoes, meteors, earthquakes...? No mass extinctions?
No music(other than the Rome burning piano), no art, no kindness, no love, no learning, no language.
We are a successful species. You can feel guilty about it if you like, but we'll learn how to manage it, or we won't. The world didn't pull it's punches until we arrived and grew a conscious...
I disagree Kingo. Whether or not the world was a peaceful place before humans is not the point. Neither is the fact that humans have produced art, music, love, learning, language and kindness (though we are by no means the only species to have done so).
Its great to be successful, but is our success justified if is dependent on inflicting suffering on the other sentient beings with which we share the planet, and destroys the very resources and conditions we need to continue our success or even survive?
As much as I'd love to continue, it is OT, I'd rather not clog the forum with this stuff. Iceman was fine in dropping it here.... You can write a blues song about it if you'd like... But I'd rather drink a beer and play harmonica with you... (And maybe even recycle the can)
---------- Danny
Last Edited by KingoBad on Oct 14, 2015 3:31 PM
The forum doesn't seem to have been real clogged with anything lately and if its OK with everyone, I'd be happy to have a civil discussion about this if anyone else does.
I'd love to share a beer and harmonica with you too, Kingo, and I'd like to think that my kids and future generations will be able to do the same. Our band will soon be recording a song called 'Pleasure Street', not blues but reggae which talks about an imaginary utopian world when we run out of fossil fuels and have nothing left to fight over.
In response to Heinlein, I wouldn't assume that all people who question our ecological world paradigm see humans as separate from nature or are filled with self loathing. Some of us would like to see our enormous brains and capacity for innovation and manipulation of our surroundings turned towards more humane and less destructive ways of finding our place in the universe.
We are indeed a part of nature, and entirely natural. The sooner we realise this, the sooner we can work with nature rather than against it and create new possibilities, rather than new problems. ---------- Lucky Lester
