dougharps
981 posts
Jul 29, 2015
2:31 PM
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I have mentioned my Shure 585SAV before and recently barbecuebob mentioned the PE585V in a thread about mics and amps. When I looked them up they had separate entries on the Shure discontinued microphone page, but they look the same and have the same cartridge. They are both "Unisphere" mics with volume controls.
Are they the same mic? Was there a change in name after a certain date? I really like my 585SAV and even bought a second one as backup. Here is the
Shure discontinued mic link
Same mic, or not???
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Doug S.
Last Edited by dougharps on Jul 29, 2015 2:32 PM
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1847
2606 posts
Jul 29, 2015
3:03 PM
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one is high impendance "yours"
the other i believe is low impendance
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1847
2607 posts
Jul 29, 2015
3:06 PM
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nope i was wrong both high impendance
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1847
2608 posts
Jul 29, 2015
3:16 PM
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i believe s means single impedance
a is the high impedance designation
v for volume
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dougharps
982 posts
Jul 29, 2015
3:40 PM
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I also have a Shure 585SB, which is the low-z version with a switch instead of volume.
But is there a difference in the PE designation of the high-z with volume control, or are they really the same mics? Bob's post started me thinking...
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Doug S.
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1847
2609 posts
Jul 29, 2015
4:01 PM
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i think they just have a different connecter
i ,m sure someone will chime in
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Harpaholic
707 posts
Jul 29, 2015
6:32 PM
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Same mic.
From what I know, S stands for switch. SAV is volume in place of switch. 1847 is correct v for volume, A for Hi Z, B for low Z.
PE stands for professional edition. It was Shures way of selling more of the same mics using different model numbers.
It's all about marketing.
They did it with several models like the 533SA/PE53.Sper O Dyne.
Last Edited by Harpaholic on Jul 29, 2015 6:36 PM
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1847
2611 posts
Jul 29, 2015
6:55 PM
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i think you are right on the s is switch
it just didnt seem to make sense
on a mic with a volume control
did they have a different adapter for the cord?
Last Edited by 1847 on Jul 29, 2015 6:56 PM
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dougharps
983 posts
Jul 29, 2015
7:58 PM
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Edit: Thanks Harpaholic!
Edit:@1847
They both use the Amphenol MC1M connecter which is the same as the Switchcraft connector with a center contact and grounded threaded sleeve.
I thought that they seemed to be the same mic! Marketing...
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Doug S.
Last Edited by dougharps on Aug 01, 2015 6:31 AM
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barbequebob
2988 posts
Jul 30, 2015
10:29 AM
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The 585V and 585SAV are the same mic and I've seen them listed by Shure sometimes as a PE58V as well. The vast majority of them over the years have all been high-z mikes using the screw on connector, but they did have a low-z version, and those are extremely rare. I bought one of the 585V's back in the 70's when they were still brand new and that mike later got stolen.
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dougharps
985 posts
Jul 30, 2015
12:15 PM
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Thanks for confirming that they are the same! I really like the 585SAV. It creates the sound I like. It has good lows, mild distortion when cupped, and is feedback resistant.
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Doug S.
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SuperBee
2748 posts
Aug 01, 2015
5:55 AM
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I have a 585 sb...it had 2 pins and a screw on. The thread was damaged. I sent it to a guy to repair. He sent it back with a switchcraft screw on connector. I dunno if that is gonna work...its a lo z mic..maybe it will work into a pa...it is hard to find an impedance adaptor with phono in...
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dougharps
986 posts
Aug 01, 2015
6:35 AM
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@SuperBee
Yes, the 585SB that I have has a connector with two prongs and the screw on sleeve. It is balanced, low-z. I have a short cable with that connector on one end and XLR on the other. You may have lost half of your signal with the single pole connector.
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Doug S.
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SuperBee
2749 posts
Aug 01, 2015
3:01 PM
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Thats exactly what i'm wondering, but it should be possible to rewire the mic to deliver all the ac to a single lead as in a hi z version.
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dougharps
988 posts
Aug 01, 2015
8:08 PM
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If you look at figures 4 and 5 on the combined data sheet for 585SA and 585SB
585SA &585SB
you can see the wiring. The 585SA only uses two leads from the R85 cartridge and has a transformer built in, as opposed to 3 leads in the low-z 585SB and no transformer. Both mics use the same cartridge, but are wired differently. I think if you combined the black and white leads in the low-z wiring the signals could cancel because of phase issues. I could be mistaken about this, but I think I am not mistaken.
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Doug S.
Last Edited by dougharps on Aug 01, 2015 8:11 PM
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SuperBee
2752 posts
Aug 02, 2015
2:21 PM
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I see where that goes, but wonder how its done in the dual impedance version..585D/SD.
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jbone
1991 posts
Aug 02, 2015
7:17 PM
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I'm in the hi z camp here. I liked the 585 with on off switch enough to buy a second one! They have good accurate sound reproduction and can be made to break up a bit. Using it with a harp delay into a 5w Fender it makes real good stuff happen.
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mlefree
354 posts
Aug 03, 2015
11:06 AM
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A plain PE585 (without the volume control) is arguably the best deal out there for a stage-ready harmonica microphone. They're listed on ebay in the $30 range.
A bit hard to cup for me, though.
Michelle
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KC69
470 posts
Aug 03, 2015
3:15 PM
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I have a PE54 Series 2 Unidyne with pistol handle and on/off switch. The only thing I know it is very hot. The original cord with 1/8th jack is still on it. can anyone tell me if its worth using for harp or better to mic amp.
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Kingley
3901 posts
Aug 03, 2015
3:20 PM
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The PE54 was the precursor to the 545 and is a killer mic for harp. Paul Butterfield used one a lot.
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Harpaholic
719 posts
Aug 03, 2015
5:09 PM
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The PE54 and the 545 are the same mic, another example of Shure's marketing.
Correction, PE stands for Professional Entertainer
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timeistight
1836 posts
Aug 04, 2015
1:14 AM
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The original pistol-grip PE54 was high impedance only. All other mics in the 545 line were dual impedance (except for the hard-wired 545L which was low impedance only). Some players believe that the the single-impedance transformer had a hotter output, more suitable to amplified harp.
Last Edited by timeistight on Aug 08, 2015 8:59 PM
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Thievin' Heathen
1248 posts
Feb 24, 2023
6:55 PM
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I just picked up a PE585V and it appears to be in perfect working order. I have a couple of other 585's. One is an SAV with a scratchy pot, so I am thrilled with the new one. No scratch. This kinda took a bite out of my Bulletini budget, but what the #%ll?
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barbequebob
3689 posts
Feb 27, 2023
8:20 AM
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@Thievin' Heathen -- if the pot is scratchy, the most likely culprit, if you bought it used, is that one of the previous owners turned the volume control too far and well past where it should've been for either turning it all the way up or down and from experience with those mics, treat those volume controls very gently or risk getting that problem or if it's already there, then the problem can get significantly worse.
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Boston, MA
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