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The Iceman
2541 posts
Jun 24, 2015
6:09 AM
Found the following on a European music site..


In his powerfully insightful book of blues-inspired poetry Fattening Frogs for Snakes -- Delta Sound Suite, John Sinclair cites blues and jazz scholar Robert Palmer as a source for the theory that the linguistic taproots of the word "boogie" probably reach back to West Africa, as the Hausa "buga" and the Mandingo "bug" both mean "to beat" as in "to beat a drum." This makes sense given the rhythmic potency of boogie-woogie, a style that emerged during the early 20th century among Southern black laborers who lived, toiled, and partied near the very bottom of the U.S. social hierarchy, usually living in an environment that was secluded from the rest of the population and often engaging in the production of turpentine. There are other distinct levels of meaning and purpose here: the subject of blackness, the act of partying in order to blow off steam, and the performer's utility function as a provider of music in order to keep the participants from brawling. Sometimes carelessly criticized for its apparent simplicity, the boogie is as complex as human nature itself. Popularized by white big bands during the 1930s and '40s, boogie-woogie also helped to spawn the eminently exploitable genres of R&B and rock & roll.
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STME58
1354 posts
Jun 24, 2015
8:20 AM
"performer's utility function as a provider of music in order to keep the participants from brawling."

The above phrase jumped out at me. I like the idea of stopping a brawl with music. Has anyone ever seen it happen?

The book sounds interesting, I will see if I can find it. It seems to be out of print and not in my local library. there is always Amazon.

Thanks for posting the info. The last book I got a lead on on this forum "The Great Black Way" by by RJ SMith, I found extermely interesting.
WinslowYerxa
902 posts
Jun 24, 2015
11:44 AM
Thing is, boogie woogie emerged primarily on the piano; at least that's my unstudied perception and perhaps some would care to more fully inform me.

Laborers at the bottom rungs of society typically didn't have much access to pianos. And people a little farther up the ladder often take pains to distance themselves from those lower down. I'm skeptical.
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STME58
1357 posts
Jun 24, 2015
12:00 PM
That reminds me of something I heard Tommy Emmanuel say at a concert;

Why don't coal workers play piano?

When you try to lower one down the mine shaft, all you get is A flat miner!

Of course Winslow's suggestion is probably accurate, they can't afford one.
STME58
1358 posts
Jun 24, 2015
12:00 PM
That reminds me of something I heard Tommy Emmanuel say at a concert;

Why don't coal workers play piano?

When you try to lower one down the mine shaft, all you get is A flat miner!

Of course Winslow's suggestion is probably accurate, they can't afford one.
Goldbrick
1055 posts
Jun 24, 2015
1:59 PM
a classic boogie- a staple of underground fm radio back in the day

kudzurunner
5550 posts
Jun 24, 2015
7:20 PM
I was always under the impression that "boogie" and "bootie"--as in bottom, butt, behind: the thing you shake--were related. Perhaps that's because of John Lee Williamson's song:



A music that helps people shake it without breaking it has a specific function, a recuparative, reparative function in an exploitative, low-wage working class economy where your body is being worn down in somebody else's service. This is the irony of the phrase "work it out." That means "reclaim it." Work out the kinks. Make it your own again. When somebody says "Your ass is mine," they're trying to take possession of you in a bad way. Shaking your bootie to the boogie--shaking the boogie--is a constructive response to that sort of claiming and exploitation.

In Sonny Boy's song, he's making a somewhat different point. He's saying that his woman has been out shaking it for somebody else all night long: a juke-joint queen. But God DAMN she shakes it so well that he can't stay mad for too long. Watch out for the jelly roll. It will drive you insane.

Last Edited by kudzurunner on Jun 24, 2015 7:24 PM
JustFuya
791 posts
Jun 25, 2015
2:21 AM
I always thought of boogie as busy blues. LW comes to mind. Admittedly, I am not well read on the subject.
Frank101
98 posts
Jun 25, 2015
7:57 AM
Or it could be from the French verb "bouger" meaning "to move", via Louisiana and/or the West Indies.
WinslowYerxa
904 posts
Jun 25, 2015
11:43 AM
"Boogie," "juke," and "ragtime" are three widely used African American music words that have obscure origins. That lack of verifiable information seems to stimulate the imaginations of many writers to come up with either possible African root words or situational explanations, like the one that "ragtime refers to being "on the rag" - that is, the whorehouse piano player would play ragtime tunes for the working girls who were sidelined from servicing customers while menstruating. True? I have no idea. And what would he play differently for those who were not so indisposed, or for paying customers?

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Last Edited by WinslowYerxa on Jun 25, 2015 11:44 AM


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