Danny Starwars
249 posts
Jun 20, 2015
6:46 PM
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Hey - I'm mostly a busker and I very rarely get on a stage. Twice recently I did and it was terrible. I had no control over the sound and was drowned out, something I put down to my lake of experience with a stage performance as much as anything else.
Can you not use the LINE OUT on a small amp to connect to the sound desk, or is the LINE OUT for connecting to larger speakers/amps?
Also, are there portable pre-amps that you could connect through to the sound desk for one-off performances?
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SuperBee
2706 posts
Jun 20, 2015
6:53 PM
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Line out is for the desk or into a DI on the way to the desk. It's a 'line level' signal...that is, low voltage, more akin to the signal strength from your mic than the speaker output. It may be drawn from the output of the preamp, or may be tapped from the output to the speaker.
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2chops
399 posts
Jun 20, 2015
6:56 PM
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Danny...I have a MicroCube that I use a line out straight into the sound board. Works great. That way I can change my effects as needed. However, using the line out cuts off the amp speaker. So it can't be used as a monitor. The other option is to just mic it. I've done that too and it sounded just fine to a point. If the band you're playing with cgets loud, I would do the line out into the board option.
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SuperBee
2707 posts
Jun 20, 2015
7:14 PM
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I guess the Roland does that because it's a SS low voltage amp. On a tube amp I think it'd be unusual for the line out to switch off the speaker.
Oh, and you can certainly get a preamp for plugging to PA. or shape your sound with various other pedals. That's the main use for the Lone Wolf Harp attack and harp break pedals I think. But even if want to use a reverb or delay pedal etc...
Main thing that used to bug me about using PA was not having control over my monitor. We were moving around the place a lot and seemed we rarely played two gigs with the same engineer, and even rarer that they'd ever mixed for harp. (Exception was when we opened for The Beards. Their soundy had it down) the solution at the time was to use a big enough amp to use onstage but these days where I play the volume is lower and harp is a 'normal' instrument so the mixer knows more about how to set things up.
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Owen Evans
50 posts
Jun 20, 2015
9:20 PM
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Hi Danny,
I have the Memphis Mini with a Line Out and I can cable it to the sound board (desk) [directly or through a DI] as follows:
Volume on main PA channel are at 5.5 & Normal.
Lows are cranked up to 7.
Mids turned down to 4
Hi’s turned down to 4
No EFX
Monitors at 3.5
This will give you a full sound with no feedback. I have the amp at 5 and the Tone at 5-6 sitting nearby so I can hear it and make any changes with the Delay Pedal. This way, you don't have to rely on the monitors to let you know how you sound. My MM speaker works perfectly when connected this way.
Ronnie Shellist uses it like this:
25% on the PA and the amp at 5-6 for Tone and 7 for the volume.
Bass is set at 75%
Treble is reduced to 25%
All the rest is straight up.
30% volume offers a dramatic difference in sound.
Hope this is helpful.
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Danny Starwars
250 posts
Jun 20, 2015
9:48 PM
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Thanks a lot for these tips guys. If I got anywhere near regular stage stuff I would invest in a larger amp. But at the moment I'll too ill to cart around big stuff and I don't get many ops.
I appreciate the tips.
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A440
398 posts
Jun 21, 2015
3:17 AM
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Using a mic with a volume control is very helpful. I usually sound check with my mic volume at 45%, using an A harp. That leaves me room to get louder when the show starts.
I started by using a small tube amp, miced to the PA with an SM57 on its grill. It worked, but was complicated. Now I just go straight into the PA.
If you can afford a Blowsmeaway mic and a couple of Lonewolf pedals, that should do the trick nicely.
I get pretty good results with a really cheap set up: Superlux D112, Artec Analog Delay, Samson DI. I use a short cable (20 cm) between the delay and DI, and I carry a good quality 10 meter XLR cable to run from the DI to the PA board. It all fits in my backpack, and I know how it works - so never a surprise. Some guys snicker at my cheap gear, but it sounds pretty decent, and I stay loud in the mix as long as the guy at the board is paying attention to the music. If I want to get dirty I push up the knob on the Superlux. Or I keep it at 50% for a cleaner sound.
Last Edited by A440 on Jun 21, 2015 3:25 AM
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