Mensh
2 posts
Feb 16, 2015
10:09 AM
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Hiya good people!
Someone please school me a bit.
I swapped out the stock VHT speaker on my Special 6 for an Eminence Lil' Buddy.
Ummm... was I expecting too much? I hear little to no difference, and I feel I have a pretty good ear.
I have read that the Lil' Buddy can "take some time to break in."
Thoughts/Experiences?
Thanks folks...
Heath
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Barley Nectar
656 posts
Feb 16, 2015
10:38 AM
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Ha Ha, no experience with those items in particular but some general observations. A friend and myself did speaker comparisons using a Fender Vibro Champ and several 8" speakers. Webers, Jensen, Hepner, Rola, Fender, Eminence...probably 8 total. We found very little to no difference in several. The Weber Sig 8 was obviously the worst with several being good. I setteled on a Weber 8F125 while my friend chose the Eminence 820H. Both of these sounded very much alike. We both have these amps.
As to break in, I feel that all new speakers take some time to loosen up and get to their design performance state...BN
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dougharps
858 posts
Feb 16, 2015
2:14 PM
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The Lil' Buddy can give a darker tone to an amp that tends to emphasize treble frequencies too much for harp. I don't know what you wanted to change on your Special 6. A Lil' Buddy improved my 1961 Gibson Explorer GA-18T for harp.
Any new speaker, unless sold as already broken in, will need some playing time to sound its best.
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Doug S.
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Harpaholic
634 posts
Feb 16, 2015
6:11 PM
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Keep in mind you probably putting 3-5 watts through that speaker.
As you know it's a 50 watt speaker, so it would sound better pushed a little harder.
The hemp cones take longer to break in, in my experience.
Typically the difference in tone is
a little darker like Doug said, more low end, punchier and smoother.
I used that speaker in several amps, but it always sounded better pushing it with 15-20 watts or more than it did with 5-7 watts.
Once it's broken in, it should perform better.
Last Edited by Harpaholic on Feb 16, 2015 6:12 PM
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FreeWilly
466 posts
Feb 17, 2015
3:57 AM
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Might be my ears, but to me the VHT has a rather dark Tone. I stuck a Jensen p10r in mine after hooking it to a cabinet that had one of those in. Pretty happy with the result. Perhaps not for the studio, but life.. yeah.
Would like a bit more crunch vs compression. But wouldn't want to lose the compression.
My next amp will be a 2x10 with one lil buddy and one p10r I think :)
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Harpaholic
639 posts
Feb 17, 2015
7:47 AM
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Crunch from a speaker happens when you push it to break up. You would need a smooth cone speaker or one designed for earlier break up.
I'm not a fan of speaker crunch, I prefer crunch from the
amp.
Last Edited by Harpaholic on Feb 17, 2015 8:01 AM
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Barley Nectar
658 posts
Feb 17, 2015
8:03 AM
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I'm not a fan of speaker breakup either, mud! You may also get crunch by biasing your power tubes real cold...BN
Last Edited by Barley Nectar on Feb 17, 2015 8:05 AM
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Harpaholic
640 posts
Feb 17, 2015
8:12 AM
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That's true Barley! I set up my buddies Avenger that way with a 5U4, we both agreed that was the best sound.
I don't remember what I set the bias at?
Somewhere between 18-22.
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Mensh
4 posts
Feb 17, 2015
10:04 AM
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"Smooth cone speaker?"
"Biasing your power tubes real cold?"
"Setting bias?"
This went way over my head.
"Stewardess, I speak jive..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzIcec_bQss
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www.thebluesprofessors.com
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Leatherlips
320 posts
Feb 22, 2015
9:26 PM
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Mensh, I have exactly the setup you have, and yes, it takes a while to break in and also, as stated, the harder you drive it, the better it sounds.
It is, of course subjective, but I love mine and I'm thinking of using it to gig with.
I have had a switchable line out installed, so it will be going straight into the PA.
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blueswannabe
549 posts
Feb 25, 2015
5:20 PM
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I had a Lil Buddy in my VHT and then swapped it out for a vintage jensen p10-s because I found the lil buddy a little too dark in this application. But since I had another amp with the same jensen, and was experimenting with tones, I ended up with the eminence 1028K which sounds, IMO, great in the VHT.
Not too dark, good break up, definition, clarity and punch.
Last Edited by blueswannabe on Feb 25, 2015 5:21 PM
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