kudzurunner
4771 posts
Jul 07, 2014
4:09 PM
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Ah.....wow. This is big news from Mr. Blue. I'm not particularly a hip-hop fan, but this is indisputably a modern blend and I enjoyed the sonic attack. I didn't know what was going to come next. Please give it a hearing. If you aren't now and won't ever be a hip hop fan, that's OK. No need to waste your time letting us know what we already know. But if you're interested in actually talking about how the track works (rhythmically, melodically, or harmonically), or discussing the lyrics, or posting other clips of hip-hop blues (with or w/o harmonica), please contribute!
Last Edited by kudzurunner on Jul 07, 2014 4:10 PM
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Komuso
338 posts
Jul 07, 2014
4:57 PM
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Sounds like Hip Hop with harmonica over the top.
Sounds ok, but would it be a big deal if it wasn't SB or DMC?
I like this one better to be honest, much more funkeh.
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Last Edited by Komuso on Jul 07, 2014 4:57 PM
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Komuso
339 posts
Jul 07, 2014
4:59 PM
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Slo Leak has been doing a lot of hyrbid stuff for a long time
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harpdude61
2068 posts
Jul 07, 2014
5:00 PM
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Hey, these guys brought Aerosmith back to life. We all gain from harmonica exposure. If some kids dig it and wanna pick up a harp I'm all for it!
The big long harp notes work well with what the rappers are doing. Interesting changes too. Glad Sugar is singing too.
Good move forward for our instrument.
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Gus
12 posts
Jul 07, 2014
8:43 PM
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I'm not a big hip hop fan; but I really like some of the hybrid hip hop/blues as played by Bad News Brown, Mississippi Big Beat, Scarecrow Blues Hip Hop, Little Axe and others.
I'm a huge Sugar Blue fan, but this track did not work for me. The harp did to seem to really fit with the rest of the song.
I have to look into Iluminate, great song. Thanks for the post.
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tf10music
207 posts
Jul 08, 2014
1:53 AM
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As a hip-hop fan, I'm willing to come out and say that the track is terrible, actually. The harmonica playing is great -- Sugar Blue never disappoints -- and DMC, as always, has nice flow and smooth delivery. The problem is that the parts don't fit together -- you can't just use a blues song as a hip-hop beat. You can, however, make a blues song into a hip-hop beat. It was probably possible to do that with Sugar Blue's harmonica track, but the producer fell down on the job.
C2C, a group of world-class scratchers from France, provide a great example of how one might actually make a beat FROM blues harmonica:
Another example of great beat-making in this vein (although there's no harmonica) is in Soul Khan's "Pursuance" album. Here's are a couple of examples (it's also great music, folks):
And here's a newer song where he uses a vocal sample (imagine if it was a harmonica sample!) as an intro/hook. You could also imagine harmonica giving flavor to the piano melody sampled in the beat:
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Komuso
340 posts
Jul 08, 2014
2:47 AM
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As a critique I'd agree with tf10music.
Love the vocals & harp as individual parts, but the production doesn't really flow...and hip hop can flow as well as any genre when done "right". Syncopated juxtaposition can work, but they need to mesh and to my ears these don't mesh too well.
The mix/master is nice and clear despite being loaded up, but some of the sounds are a bit meh.
I mean wtf with the siren? Just because you can use cliche hip hop elements doesn't mean you need to.
We already know it's a hip hop song.
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HarpNinja - Your harmonica Mojo Dojo
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mastercaster
50 posts
Jul 08, 2014
2:50 AM
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The C2C was pretty good ..
I actually could listen to the full song .. interesting enough and well done ..
(don't at all like record sratchin hip hop)
The first one DMC .. nope 30 seconds into the hip hop part .. done finished more than enough for me thanx ....
Last Edited by mastercaster on Jul 08, 2014 2:51 AM
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Frank
4776 posts
Jul 08, 2014
4:35 AM
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Has a heavy "rockish" feel to it with hip hop rhymes and Sugars bluesy under tones...would probably sound better on a great stereo system or sound greater LIVE...It doesn't come across as good as it should on a you tube video though :)
Last Edited by Frank on Jul 08, 2014 4:36 AM
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atty1chgo
985 posts
Jul 08, 2014
1:28 PM
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It's not terrible to listen to. Blue's vocals are strong, and the harp sounds fine. But this is just a collaboration of, by, and for the artists. Let's not get all excited and think that this some sort of initiation or exposure to the blues for young folks.
In the end, the song "Hootchie Cootchie Man" has as much retention power in their brains as an old episode of "The Cosby Show" or "The Brady Bunch". In the end, the only thing that remains is the hip hop beat, and that ain't the blues. So we're right back where we started from in terms "keeping the blues alive" using a contemporary sonic vehicle. In that context, it doesn't work at all.
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GamblersHand
515 posts
Jul 08, 2014
1:49 PM
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Reminds me a little of this old Nas track
Olu Dara on harp
...Keep integrity at every cost, and his home was Natchez Mississippi
Did it like Miles and Dizzy, now we gettin' busy
Bridging The Gap from the blues, to jazz, to rap
The history of music on this track...
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The Iceman
1808 posts
Jul 08, 2014
2:36 PM
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Harmonica sounds like it was laid down and sampled - then manipulated within the song.
It works as a cool sound, but not a lot of artistry involved - harmonically speaking.
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