ungar
9 posts
Apr 13, 2014
3:46 AM
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Is there anyone out there who has tested the tuning of the CO as compared to the MB Deluxe? I've read that the CO is supposed to have a compromised tuning that's somewhere between that of the MB Deluxe and equal temperament, but I recently spoke to a harmonica maker/customizer who orders reed plates from Hohner, Suzuki and Seydel and then makes his own harps, and he claims that the plates are identical for both models. (Which would mean that the only difference is the wood, putting an end to the debate over whether comb material makes a difference, because they sure sound different.)
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Kingley
3567 posts
Apr 13, 2014
4:14 AM
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In the past the Deluxe has always been tuned to Hohners compromised tuning. Whilst the Crossover has always been tuned to Steve Bakers compromised tuning. Generally the Crossvers are tuned brighter than the Deluxe and have stretched octaves. It's possible that Hohner have now adopted Steve's tuning on both models, but I can't say for certain. The best people to ask for a definitive answer would be Joe Spiers, Joe Filisko, Richard Sleigh or Steve Baker. Unless the maker/customiser was one of those people I wouldn't take his/her word as gospel on the matter.
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arzajac
1336 posts
Apr 13, 2014
4:14 AM
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The Crossover has a very different tuning than the Deluxe. The reedplates are exactly the same but Hohner doesn't offer a different set of replacements for both model. So the tuning you get on a replacement set of Crossover reed plates is not the same tuning you get from the out-of-the-box harp.
Steve Baker posted how he developed the tuning. It's a very practical tuning which compromises just enough to get the job done to make chords sound nice. Single notes are out of tune by not much more than five cents or so. Lower plate is tuned 1Hz higher than top to make 2 draw and 3 blow sound the same.
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harpwrench
813 posts
Apr 13, 2014
6:43 AM
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Wrong arzajac, Hohner does sell replacement crossover plates. Different part number and tuned appropriate to the model.
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Kingley
3568 posts
Apr 13, 2014
6:54 AM
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Joe is right. I just had a look at the Hohner C shop for the USA and Canada. The Deluxe reedplates part number is RP2005, whilst the Crossover reedplates part number is RP2009.
Last Edited by Kingley on Apr 13, 2014 6:54 AM
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Sherwin
149 posts
Apr 13, 2014
7:07 AM
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The Hohner C Shop for USA and Canada, ha, I live in Canada, the Hohner shop for Europe directs me to the USA Hohner shop, and when I try and buy something from Hohner USA I am informed that they do not ship to Canada. Feeling kinda left out here.
Michael
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arzajac
1338 posts
Apr 13, 2014
7:21 AM
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Joe, I keep hearing of this issue - where people order the crossover reed plates but receive the Deluxe reed plates. Rockin Ron actually phoned me a while back to ask what my experience was because he couldn't get the official word from Hohner and his customers were ordering Crossover plates but getting Deluxe.
I just told him I had experienced the same thing... I subsequently couldn't get any more info from any of my suppliers here in Canada either.
I haven't ordered reed plated from Hohner in over a year.
It's great to hear that this is no longer the case.
Sherwin: Wilson sells them for less than the Hohner shop, last time I checked.
EDIT: He also only seems to sell M2005 (MB deluxe) for both harps when you select the key and order online.
Replacement reed plate sets for M2005 Marine Band Deluxe and M2009 Marine Band Crossover Harmonica’s
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Last Edited by arzajac on Apr 13, 2014 7:31 AM
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harpwrench
815 posts
Apr 13, 2014
7:31 AM
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Hohner and Hohner USA are different companies. I don't deal with Hohner USA so that must be the difference, maybe they don't see a demand for it. Haven't had problems getting the right parts through Hohner Germany.
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arzajac
1339 posts
Apr 13, 2014
7:34 AM
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"Hohner and Hohner USA are different companies."
Ah! Thank you! So many things are so much more clear to me now!
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Custom overblow harps. Harmonica service and repair.
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ungar
10 posts
Apr 13, 2014
10:36 AM
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Dear harpwrench,
Are the part numbers the same in Europe as what Kingley says for the US? I'd like to have something definite to tell my harmonica maker.
thanks
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tmf714
2505 posts
Apr 13, 2014
10:41 AM
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Europe=part number TMc105523
USA=part number RP2009
CROSSOVER reed plates
Last Edited by tmf714 on Apr 13, 2014 10:43 AM
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Frank
4153 posts
Apr 13, 2014
10:53 AM
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I recently e-mailed Mr. Sleigh and told him that I tune my harps as such...
The 3rds and 7ths to 440...which would be blow 2, 5, 8...And draw 3, 5, 7, 9...
The rest are tuned to 445...
I asked him his opinion of my tuning scheme and he was kind enough to reply.
His response was - "What results are you looking for" ?
What a great thought provoking answer :)
PS...Mr. Spiers is the one who turned me on to how to simplfy the tuning process.
Last Edited by Frank on Apr 13, 2014 10:58 AM
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ungar
11 posts
Apr 13, 2014
10:53 AM
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Thanks. And MD Deluxe reed plates (in Europe)?
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tmf714
2507 posts
Apr 13, 2014
11:02 AM
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Marine Band Deluxe reeplate Europe=part number=
TMc105511
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harpwrench
816 posts
Apr 13, 2014
11:08 AM
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The part numbers in Europe will be something like tmf714 posted but it's different for each key. There's a parts list PDF download on their site. If in the USA I'd ask Rockin Ron what he has. X-over and MBD are the same physical part except for the temperament, so don't stress out:) If MBD plates are easier to procure then tune the flattened notes up as desired and it'll be fine.
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tmf714
2508 posts
Apr 13, 2014
11:14 AM
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Last Edited by tmf714 on Apr 13, 2014 11:15 AM
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tmf714
2509 posts
Apr 13, 2014
11:16 AM
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Last Edited by tmf714 on Apr 13, 2014 11:17 AM
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ungar
12 posts
Apr 13, 2014
11:27 AM
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Thanks!!!
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ungar
13 posts
Apr 14, 2014
4:47 AM
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BTW, what do you mean by "stretched octaves"? I don't know much about harmonicas, but I do know about music theory, and all the different temperaments historically, AFAIK, had just octaves.
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harpwrench
817 posts
Apr 14, 2014
4:57 AM
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Hey Frank if you're tuning like that ya might try dropping that 445 spec down to 443.
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Frank
4154 posts
Apr 14, 2014
5:39 AM
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Thanks Joe...My understanding is that 445 is near the edge of the tuning spectrum, so I am playing with fire and 443 would certainly suffice :)
Last Edited by Frank on Apr 14, 2014 5:40 AM
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Frank
4157 posts
Apr 14, 2014
6:26 AM
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My response was eradicated, try try again - here goes...Please don't zap it spam man!
So at 445 and 440, I'm 5Hz flat, where 3 is more optimal?
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Frank
4158 posts
Apr 14, 2014
7:09 AM
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GET Er DONE :)
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