WinslowYerxa
554 posts
Apr 11, 2014
12:05 PM
|
Oh, stop it! "Are you afraid?" Get real.
I'm asking you because you're the one making the claim. I'll talk to Dennis about what Dennis does. Meanwhile, you're making claims you can't back up about a technique that you can't describe.
----------
Winslow
Find out about the 2014 Spring Harmonica Collective!
SPONSORED BY
Find out about the 2014 Spring Harmonica Collective!
SPONSORED BY
Lone Wolf Blues Company
Rockin’ Ron’s Music For Less
BlowsMeAway Productions
Slim’s Custom Cases
HarpGear
Seydel & Soehne
|
tmf714
2501 posts
Apr 11, 2014
12:31 PM
|
If Dennis tells me that he is able to bend and overblow on a chromatic,what am I to do? Tell him its not possible? Im not claiming anything at all-Kevin is the one claiming its esay and hes been doing it for 15 yrs-maybe you have us confused? Like I said ,just let me know if you want me to call him-lol
Last Edited by tmf714 on Apr 11, 2014 12:32 PM
|
chromaticblues
1560 posts
Apr 11, 2014
12:32 PM
|
@Winslow
OK I'll check it tonight with a tuner like Michael said.
The more I think about it. I think I'm wrong!
Damn I hate being wrong! I play half valved chroms and it sounds different after removing the valve, but as you stated a half valved chrom allows the blow reed to react with the draw to bend, but the draw reed will not react to a blow note because of the windsaver.
I'll check!
|
chromaticblues
1561 posts
Apr 11, 2014
3:33 PM
|
Yup I'm wrong.
My apologies!
You were right Micheal. I checked with my tuner.
Also Winslow is correct. The only way Dennis G. overblows (or anyone for that matter) is by removing both windsavers. I heard Dennis play once and don't believe he removes any windsavers.
Anyway I was playing the 7 blow with the slide in and starting the note bent down to G. I release the bend to G# (Ab).
Then release the slide and push the slide back in quickly and release it quickly.
I checked a few times and I was pretty consistent starting very close to G.
Also I'd like to add I believe that is a Stevie Wonder lick that does work very well in Blues.
I think he did it mostly on draw notes, but it works just as well on blow notes. It just depends on what key your playing in. Most blues chromers play in D so try it on 3 and 7 blow. Also 2 or 6 draw. The 6 draw (I think) is more in Stevie Wonder style.
|
WinslowYerxa
555 posts
Apr 12, 2014
2:51 PM
|
I spoke with Dennis last night. I related that someone on Modern Blues Harmonica was claiming that Dennis was overblowing on the chromatic.
His response was to flash a fleeting expression of puzzlement, quickly followed by a laugh. Then he gave me that signature sly sidelong glance and said, "If someone want to believe I'm doing the impossible, I'm not gonna stop them."
----------
Winslow
Find out about the 2014 Spring Harmonica Collective!
SPONSORED BY
Lone Wolf Blues Company
Rockin’ Ron’s Music For Less
BlowsMeAway Productions
Slim’s Custom Cases
HarpGear
Seydel & Soehne
Last Edited by WinslowYerxa on Apr 12, 2014 2:52 PM
|
tmf714
2502 posts
Apr 12, 2014
4:03 PM
|
What about the opening bars of "Juke"?
Is it 7 notes or only 5? Ask Dennis and Joe their thoughts on this-I may have been wrong about Dennis overblowing on the lower register Chrom,but I will redeem myself by having Joe and Dennis verify my claim about "Juke"-
Last Edited by tmf714 on Apr 12, 2014 4:19 PM
|
WinslowYerxa
556 posts
Apr 13, 2014
10:06 AM
|
Well, I'm back home now.
At an event where we're "on" every waking moment for teaching and for informal interactions with students, and when we're with one another for the brief time that we have renew and continue our friendships, the atmosphere is not conducive to getting into pedantic questions, and I didn't bother to bring up the "Le riff" question.
But why should I anyway? I know what my ears hear and I don't need Joe or Dennis to validate that. After the first note, I hear four notes in the beat that precedes the Blow 6.
The first of those notes is a Draw 3 bent down to something that is in motion, sliding up toward the unbent Draw 3. In a previous discussion you characterized that note as "slop." But whatever you call it, it has an audible rhythmic value - regardless of pitch, it articulates one-quater of the beat, with the following three quarters being the unbent Draw 3, Draw 4 and Blow 5.
----------
Winslow
Find out about the 2014 Spring Harmonica Collective!
SPONSORED BY
Find out about the 2014 Spring Harmonica Collective!
SPONSORED BY
Lone Wolf Blues Company
Rockin’ Ron’s Music For Less
BlowsMeAway Productions
Slim’s Custom Cases
HarpGear
Seydel & Soehne
|
tmf714
2504 posts
Apr 13, 2014
10:21 AM
|
The riff is as follows:
3 blow,3 draw slight bend,4 draw,5 blow,6 blow with slight 3 bleed in,6 blow with slight 3 bleed in blow.
FWIW-Barrett also transcribes it with 6 beats of 5 notes.
Last Edited by tmf714 on Apr 13, 2014 10:30 AM
|
WinslowYerxa
557 posts
Apr 13, 2014
10:43 AM
|
My ears tell me differently. I hear two notes on Draw 3, one bent, then the next not; It's plainly audible when you slow down the recording:
click here for riff slowed down.
Arguing from the authority of David, Joe, or Dennis will not convince me that my ears do not hear it.
----------
Winslow
Find out about the 2014 Spring Harmonica Collective!
SPONSORED BY
Find out about the 2014 Spring Harmonica Collective!
SPONSORED BY
Lone Wolf Blues Company
Rockin’ Ron’s Music For Less
BlowsMeAway Productions
Slim’s Custom Cases
HarpGear
Seydel & Soehne
|
tmf714
2506 posts
Apr 13, 2014
10:46 AM
|
My question would be : who plays it slowed down in a live setting?
Myself and I am sure many others prefer to learn from actual speed recordings.
Last Edited by tmf714 on Apr 13, 2014 10:47 AM
|
WinslowYerxa
558 posts
Apr 13, 2014
10:51 AM
|
The same rhythmic values are plainly audible at regular speed:
Ba-daddle-addle, Dee-dee.
Slowing it down is just to get the details of what notes are producing those rhythmic values.
----------
Winslow
Find out about the 2014 Spring Harmonica Collective!
SPONSORED BY
Find out about the 2014 Spring Harmonica Collective!
SPONSORED BY
Lone Wolf Blues Company
Rockin’ Ron’s Music For Less
BlowsMeAway Productions
Slim’s Custom Cases
HarpGear
Seydel & Soehne
Last Edited by WinslowYerxa on Apr 13, 2014 10:52 AM
|
jnorem
164 posts
Apr 13, 2014
11:22 AM
|
Definitely 7 notes.
----------
Call me J
|
jnorem
165 posts
Apr 13, 2014
11:23 AM
|
Last Edited by jnorem on Apr 13, 2014 11:23 AM
|
tmf714
2510 posts
Apr 13, 2014
11:27 AM
|
@jnorem-youre in the minority-
|
Gnarly
984 posts
Apr 13, 2014
12:26 PM
|
Ooh, a Juke discussion . . .
My question is, are the last two notes played as octaves (on 6 and 9)?
|
tmf714
2511 posts
Apr 13, 2014
12:48 PM
|
No-3-6
|
Milsson
127 posts
Apr 13, 2014
1:09 PM
|
I´ve always thougt that there is a "scooping" movment on the three draw and now i´m shure. BUT this is so subtle and i can understand that some people don´t notate it. It´s like notating how to swing, it´s not going to come out good.
|
dougharps
598 posts
Apr 13, 2014
3:22 PM
|
Which LW version of "Juke" is generating the furor? Some say do it THIS way, some say do it THAT way...
LW played it differently at different times. He didn't get all worked up about playing it identically each time, so why should we?
By the way, slowing down a passage is a technique to help you tell how many and what notes are being played in a given recording. But it is OK if you decide you want to play more or fewer notes than LW did in that version. Play it in whatever way satisfies you.
What does this have to do with Blues on the Chromatic?
Winslow, thanks for the post with suggestions on exploring playing blues on chromatic in different keys. I will try this out with some backing tracks in different keys.
Even though I am lazy and take advantage of keyed chromatics, and I only can improvise competently in a 6 positions, I still want to expand what I can do on any given chromatic.
----------
Doug S.
|
tmf714
2512 posts
Apr 13, 2014
3:28 PM
|
I got in touch with Nate-I cant start a new topic,but if someone wishes to start a "Juke" thread,go for it-
|
