The Iceman
1399 posts
Jan 23, 2014
7:29 AM
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Not only great time keeper, drumming integral to the song itself, but also recognizable after listening for a few seconds.
Ginger Baker
This is actually a "blues tune"...sorta
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The Iceman
Last Edited by The Iceman on Jan 23, 2014 9:48 AM
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Frank
3734 posts
Jan 23, 2014
9:23 AM
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I love that type of drumming :)
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MindTheGap
177 posts
Jan 23, 2014
9:30 AM
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I've not watched it yet, but this is the trailer for 'Beware of Mr Baker'. As it says, a force of nature.
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harmonicanick
2128 posts
Jan 23, 2014
9:42 AM
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barbequebob
2451 posts
Jan 23, 2014
10:31 AM
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For blues, give me Fred Below anytime!!
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Boston, MA
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barbequebob
2452 posts
Jan 23, 2014
10:34 AM
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Sincerely,
Barbeque Bob Maglinte
Boston, MA
http://www.barbequebob.com
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walterharp
1297 posts
Jan 23, 2014
11:52 AM
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I like Carter Beauford quite a bit
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The Black Pit
3 posts
Jan 23, 2014
6:01 PM
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I saw "Beware Mr Baker" on Showtime last night. Unbelievable story, especially if you're a fan of The Cream or Blind Faith. The guy has blown every nickel he's ever made, lived all over the world (or more accurately, fled all over the world", had 4 wives (including a 17 year old sister of his daughter's boyfriend), has been a heroin addict for decades, and still chain smokes several packs a day at 75 years old! He gave coke to his sick,15 year old son (also a drummer) because he needed him to play a gig. The last words he said to his son were basically "You suck as a drummer, you'll never be as good as me". He's a nasty SOB, and that's why as great a musician as he is, hasn't been able to stay in a band for more than a couple years. He wasn't even invited to be in Blind Faith. He just showed up while Winwood and Clapton were jamming and helped himself to the throne. He's such an unlikable bloke, that even though he's one of the most accomplished drummers of all time, he had to post ads in trade mags just to find someone who'd play with him. When asked about fellow Brit drummer John Bonham, Baker said "He couldn't swing a bag of dog shit!". I must admit his "drum-offs" with Elvin Jones and Art Blakey were great. And don't dare call him a "rock" drummer, or you're likely to get your face busted up!
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The Black Pit
4 posts
Jan 23, 2014
6:14 PM
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I almost forgot, back when I used to play, seemingly EVERY rock drummer wanted Bonham's sound. His sound was so big and heavy, and all the rock drummers I knew wanted that sound. And none could get it. There were many stories at the time, such as the one about Bonham being a bricklayer before becoming a drummer, but who knows. I saw Zeppelin in '77, but the best drummer I ever saw live was Billy Cobham.
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The Iceman
1404 posts
Jan 24, 2014
6:33 AM
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Even though Paul Simon seems to be the Western artist who "discovered" African music and brought it mainstream, Ginger was into African music/rhythms way back in the 70's.
He made a home video style documentary of his travels through Africa. It is kinda grainy, but is very interesting.
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The Iceman
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MN
309 posts
Jan 24, 2014
8:07 AM
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For blues, I've always really dug Richard Innes. June Core is a groove master as well.
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harmonicanick
2129 posts
Jan 24, 2014
9:39 AM
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@ The Black Pit
Agreed on Cobham, was just talking to a friend about him with Mahvishnu, seeing them live as I did a few times in the '70's was, and is, a standout memory.
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Moon Cat
334 posts
Jan 24, 2014
3:17 PM
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5 Blues guys I like from recent years mostly alive:
Byron Cage (living)
Yonrico Scott (living)
Per Hansen (Living)
Tommy Dequatro (Deceased)
Mark Stutso (Living)
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Johnny Charles
39 posts
Jan 25, 2014
5:10 AM
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@mooncat...sad news to hear Tommy passed. I always loved when he was on a Nucklebusters gig.
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Frank
3756 posts
Jan 25, 2014
3:09 PM
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This drummer has some nads in his playing...I was intrigued by his band "tool" enough to go see them live and this dude is a slammer jammer :)
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Goldbrick
283 posts
Jan 26, 2014
7:19 AM
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As a drummer for 40 plus years I gotta say imho nobody tops Papa Jo Jones
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MindTheGap
183 posts
Jan 26, 2014
7:28 AM
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This encouraged me to watch the Ginger Baker documentary. What a story. I didn't realise. Now I've got polyrhythms running round my head. Now I'm going to have to go a listen back not only to Cream, but Blind Faith, Ginger Baker's Air Force, Masters of Reality...
I'm going to watch it again with my drum-learning son, and hope he adopts some of the musical ideas but not the lifestyle.
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MindTheGap
184 posts
Jan 26, 2014
7:33 AM
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...now we have a drummer in the house, doing paradiddles and the like on the furniture all the time, I'm starting to be able to hear drummers with a more educated ear.
Could it be that drumming is more satisfying-frustrating than playing harp? :-)
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PropMan
11 posts
Jan 26, 2014
7:34 AM
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All time: Billy Higgins
Living and active: Roy McCurdy
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The Iceman
1417 posts
Jan 26, 2014
9:19 AM
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MindTheGap...
you've just been inspired by something outside of harmonica.
rhythm came first...(I think)...
no reason not to take the new appreciation to rhythm and apply this to what you play on harmonica. Same licks, different placement of notes, etc.
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The Iceman
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Slimharp
140 posts
Jan 26, 2014
9:23 AM
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Jimmy Goodall, Max Bangwell, Doug Fergusson, the Kidda Bros.
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Frank
3764 posts
Jan 26, 2014
9:26 AM
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The best harp players I've seen or heard have a strong correlation with the rhythm section - particularly the drummer / percussionists :)
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The Iceman
1419 posts
Jan 26, 2014
9:33 AM
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Attended a drum seminar given by a Steve Gadd contemporary at International Association of Jazz Education Convention.
He demonstrated how African polyrhythms are the foundation for our jazz drumming. The drum kit can represent many different sounds used. Drummers challenge is to achieve independence of motion between 2 legs and 2 arms - developing the ability to play as if there were four percussionists, all based on African polyrhythms.
Suggested listening - King Sunny Ade and His African Beats. (makes me want to learn the talking drum).
Fascinating to learn how our musical culture developed from others.
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The Iceman
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MindTheGap
185 posts
Jan 26, 2014
9:34 AM
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Iceman - you've got that right. So I've just today arranged a lesson with a jazz drummer/pianist/teacher to work on groove. I'm having trouble finding the groove, but I do intend to find it.
It was you that inspired me to go and find some tone, and that was a big step forward. Probably a life's work to implement what I found.
So thanks again! Seems like you have all the ideas. Just a shame you're not resident in the UK.
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The Iceman
1421 posts
Jan 26, 2014
9:43 AM
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MindTheGap...
"It was you that inspired me to go and find some tone, and that was a big step forward. Probably a life's work to implement what I found."
Don't say to yourself it will take a lifetime. It won't if you don't want it to. Can be done pretty quickly, actually.
"So thanks again! Seems like you have all the ideas. Just a shame you're not resident in the UK."
I might be an honorary citizen, based in my lifelong obsession with Peter Sykes, Tommy Cooper, Osibissa, Gentle Giant, Family, Steeleye Span, Lindisfarne, Coloseum, Cleo Laine and John Dankworth, Dudley and Peter, The Goons, scones w/clotted cream, etc.
Suggestion for your groove...skip around the room as you did as a child. This is the shuffle groove translated into an emotional feel that you will understand inherently without having to use words.
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The Iceman
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MindTheGap
186 posts
Jan 26, 2014
10:04 AM
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Iceman - Well, in truth I feel that I have to write that to avoid a kicking - you know kind of thing - beginner thinks he's got something. But actually you are correct I think I've progressed quickly since actively studying the tone thing. At least to my ears. And that's been very satisfying.
Yes, I think you'd pass the UK residency test on that list. I know you are a fan of Fools and Horses. I always thought we got all the US films and TV, you didn't get ours. In fact, I had to go and look up Osibissa - more cross rhythms, good grief. I've already got too much to listen to.
Skipping - well, ok my family are tolerating all manners of behaviour now (see the thread about harp-in-the-shower) so this won't be a surprise.
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Frank
3766 posts
Jan 26, 2014
11:09 AM
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Here is an improv I recently did practicing working of the drummer:)
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The Iceman
1423 posts
Jan 26, 2014
11:09 AM
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MindTheGap...
You can call me "Del Boy".
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The Iceman
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Frank
3767 posts
Jan 26, 2014
11:35 AM
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Jason has had some crazy drummers in his band and I've seem him solo with just him and the drummer for 5 minutes... just a master class in rhythmic intelligence. I can't find any on youtube...but this is pretty darn cool :)
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Goldbrick
284 posts
Jan 26, 2014
11:36 AM
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If you like Afro-beat groove , Tony Allen is the man
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Rick Davis
2917 posts
Jan 26, 2014
11:53 PM
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Willie Panker
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-Little Rick Davis
The Memphis Mini harp amp
The Blues Harp Amps Blog
The Mile High Blues Society
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Ugly Bones Ryan
45 posts
Jan 27, 2014
5:10 PM
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Joey Jordison ex-slipknot.
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atty1chgo
809 posts
Jan 28, 2014
4:36 PM
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Not in any order, but here goes, with examples:
Lenny White - smooth as silk, lightning speed, and superb timing:
Steve Gadd - rock, jazz or blues - Eric Clapton to Chick Corea to Steely Dan - the musician's choice.
Ginger Baker - drummer extraordinaire -
Peter Erskine (here with Weather Report)
Vastly underrated as a drummer, his speed, timing and rhythm are explosive as well as tasty.
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The Iceman
1431 posts
Jan 29, 2014
10:41 AM
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Ginger reveals that all he plays are rudiments...
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The Iceman
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tmf714
2388 posts
Jan 29, 2014
10:48 AM
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tmf714
2389 posts
Jan 29, 2014
10:51 AM
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boris_plotnikov
922 posts
Jan 29, 2014
12:56 PM
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I really like drummer with nickname Dooser from one Russian band, extremely creative, very groovy and sounds like noone
Jojo Mayer, extreme virtuosic and perfect at modern grooves!
Great groove by Peter Erskine, along with my favorite bass player
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Excuse my bad English.
My videos.
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LSC
584 posts
Jan 29, 2014
3:21 PM
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Buddy Rich
Jim Keltner
Fred Below
Pete Langhans
Colin Griffin
Richard Danielson
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LSC
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