jbear
51 posts
Nov 29, 2013
12:49 PM
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I'm listening to this song:
Giles Robson & The Dirty Aces - Devil Led Evil
This is a nice little tune from a British blues band. I can't find it on YouTube but it's on spotify if that helps.
I would love to try and learn it but I can't get started. Is it played on a minor keyed harp?
Last Edited by jbear on Nov 29, 2013 1:20 PM
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jbear
53 posts
Nov 29, 2013
12:52 PM
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Last Edited by jbear on Nov 30, 2013 9:24 AM
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JInx
660 posts
Nov 29, 2013
1:34 PM
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I've been stumbling through Django's version of Dark Eyes using 12th position. The b5, b6 major 7th and b3 are all available(by simple bends) to create that minor gypsy sound.
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Moon, moon, moon
Last Edited by JInx on Nov 29, 2013 1:36 PM
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WinslowYerxa
437 posts
Nov 29, 2013
4:59 PM
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Fourth position might be a closer match for Dark Eyes - it's essentially a minor scale with a major 7th, which lies even easier in 4th than in 12th.
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Winslow
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JInx
661 posts
Nov 29, 2013
6:27 PM
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Hi Winslow,
I tried 4th but I couldn't get the b5 I needed. Where is it?
Thanks
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Sun, sun, sun
Burn, burn, burn
Soon, soon, soon
Moon, moon, moon
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Martin
546 posts
Nov 29, 2013
6:30 PM
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Fail to see the point of playing "Dark eyes" in 12t. (Of course, masochism can always be a factor.)
In 4th it gives you a B4OB: that one should be quick and precise and is rather important. Hard. (And don´t say "It´s all right to sound like shit ´cause I´m a harmonica player." Sit it out instead.)
Maybe this is one of those tunes, like "Take five", where a minor tuned diatonic is an idea?
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JInx
662 posts
Nov 29, 2013
6:51 PM
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Well yeaH, my dark eyes sounds like i'm strngeling a goose. But I need that b5. I have to learn that over blow. And for sure, i have no business blowing a diatonic here, masochism is the correct neurosis.
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Sun, sun, sun
Burn, burn, burn
Soon, soon, soon
Moon, moon, moon
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JInx
663 posts
Nov 29, 2013
7:07 PM
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Jbear, Sorry for the hijack... But I don't know why I'm resistant to the idea of a minor tuned harp. Prolly the same illogical bias I hold against open tunings and capo'd guitar. It's bad thinking, I need to correct.
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Sun, sun, sun
Burn, burn, burn
Soon, soon, soon
Moon, moon, moon
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Jehosaphat
623 posts
Nov 29, 2013
7:40 PM
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Hey Jinx
Don't know if it is relevant but to help ease your disquiet ..a helluvah lot of great music has been done on open tunings..
By extrapolation using a minor tuned Harp is not cheating ,it is just using the right tool for the job.
Last Edited by Jehosaphat on Nov 29, 2013 7:41 PM
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WinslowYerxa
440 posts
Nov 29, 2013
8:21 PM
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Right, the b5. Sorry, I'd forgotten about that (been awhile for that tune).
You could use an overblow in Hole 4, and a blow bend in Hole 8. In 12th you'd be missing the 4th degree of the scale and would have to overblow in 6, draw bend in 3 and blow bend in 10.
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Winslow
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Komuso
230 posts
Nov 29, 2013
9:03 PM
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"Prolly the same illogical bias I hold against open tunings and capo'd guitar. It's bad thinking, I need to correct"
Capoed 2nd fret Open G tuning played in Bm with a Bm Harmonic Minor Harp is great. But only if you eat quiche I guess;-)
The other way of looking at is even "standard" tunings are alternate tunings to someone who never plays them!
The powerful thing about open/alternate tunings that "regular tuning" players don't understand is 1. the sounds you get can't be done in standard tuning 2. the string tensions have huge input to how you play the tuning. Ditto for harmonica.
as J says "it is just using the right tool for the job." .. or song.
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Paul Cohen aka Komuso Tokugawa
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Last Edited by Komuso on Nov 29, 2013 9:04 PM
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jbear
54 posts
Nov 30, 2013
9:31 AM
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I would always prefer to avoid using a minor tuned harp because ideally I want to be able to walk into any music shop, buy a bog standard harp, and play whatever I want.
That said, if I need to use a minor tuned harp, I will, I just don't know yet.
There are lots of minor sounding chords on Devil Led Evil (sorry, my music theory is awful) so that's why I suspected minor harp.
I might give that django tune a go instead.
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