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BigBlindRay
200 posts
Nov 01, 2013
6:29 AM
Hi MBHers

I recorded this video after a practice session. I play all 12 Major scales around the Cycle of 4ths on a C Major Harp.

Im curious to hear from any overblow/draw players what your practice routine consists of and what kind of workouts do you do?



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HarpNinja
3568 posts
Nov 01, 2013
7:05 AM
Sounds wonderful!

I spend a lot of time practicing bending the overbends, adding dynamics, and adding vibrato.

Basically, I jam to a blues track and try to treat them as "wail" notes.

In addition, I try to focus on keeping all my bends as consistent as possible with other notes. You did a great job of that.
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BigBlindRay
201 posts
Nov 01, 2013
7:55 AM
Thanks Mike,

I'm working on a lot of arpeggio workouts and playing the harmonized major scale too which is a great workout.

Arpeggiating the Diatonic Circle of 4ths is also a great workout too.

I intend to put up videos of this in the future- much for my development as well!
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Michael Rubin
818 posts
Nov 01, 2013
8:04 AM
Great job!

I haven't worked hard on overblow stuff for a while. But here's what I did:

Scales
Major
major pentatonic
Dorian
Phrygian
Lydian
Mixolydian
Aeolian
Locrian
Minor Pentatonic
Jazz Melodic Minor
Harmonic Minor
Phrygian major, aka Hejazz
Blues scales

I would play them up and down entire harp, not just one octaves.

Then thirds:
1 3 2 4 3 5 etc

Then 4ths
1 4 2 5 3 6 etc.

Then 5ths, 6ths and 7ths

Then Frere Jacques scales:
1 2 3 1 2 3 4 2 etc.

Then 4 notes Frere Jacques:
1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 5 2 etc

Then 5, 6, 7 note Freres.

Then up and down scales:
1 2 3 2 3 4 3 4 5 etc.

Then
1 2 3 4 3 2 3 4 5 4 3 up until doing entire scale.

Then arpeggios
Major
minor
dominant 7ths
minor 7th
augmented
Half diminished
Fully diminished

In this method:
1 3 5 7 5 3 1
3 5 7 1 7 5 3
5 7 1 3 1 7 5
7 1 3 5 3 1 7

Then melodies:
Take any song an play it in time in all 12 keys in as many octaves as possible.

Then arpeggiating songs
Take any song and play the next highest chord tone for each beat. For example:

If you play a standard 12 bar in C:

C7 C7 C7 C7
F7 F7 C7 C7
G7 F7 C7 C7

Then play
1 2 -2 -3* 4 5 6 6! 7 8 9 10** 10 10** 9 8
8* 7 -6 -5 5! 5 3-** 2-** 2 1 2 -2 -3* 4 5 6
-7 -8 -9 9 -10 10 -10 -9 8 7 6! 6 5 4 -3* -2

Then next verse should start
2 1 2 -2 etc.
BigBlindRay
202 posts
Nov 01, 2013
8:14 AM
Thanks Mike! hahaha

Yeah, the challenge I find mainly is maintaining a sense of consistency in the timbre with all the notes - I accept it as a fact of lie that there is no escaping the tonal variation in the notes and ive been particularly vexed with trying to maintain control over Eb4.

That aside though - I still think B 10 blow bend is simply the toughest note to get - fact. Though I recall you mentioned somewhere you use U-blocking or some derivative of for it?
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Last Edited by BigBlindRay on Nov 01, 2013 8:15 AM
Michael Rubin
819 posts
Nov 01, 2013
8:35 AM
Ray,
Yes I tend to U block (or tongue guide, meaning I put the tip of my tongue under the hole I want and don't stress about the curl) anything higher than hole 6, although I only need U blocking for hole 10 on a harp higher than a Bb and I am sure with practice I could pucker it just fine. My TB blow bends are miserable.

I agree with you that 10 single is very difficult, I play it best in musical context.
HarpNinja
3569 posts
Nov 01, 2013
8:40 AM
Just play it with vibrato, lol. It will sound awesome and be "in tune".

If guys can wail on the 5 draw with 7LI tuning and it sounds "in", playing a 10 blow bend with vibrato and dancing around pitch is totally legit.
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20REEDS
1 post
Nov 01, 2013
9:55 AM
My main thing is dealing with 3 bends tone and intonation, it's too bad we as a community don't have etudes readily available to challenge these peculiarities of our instrument. Any creative volunteers ? Out there?
STME58
572 posts
Nov 01, 2013
1:58 PM
I have been using exercises and etudes from my Arban's trombone method book on the harp. Here is one;

Trombone Scale Exercise Adapted to Harmonica


I am finding it helps me become familiar with where the notes are. I can play it pretty well in the middle octave. As I try it on the first octave I am forced to get the bends right.

The notes in the book I took this from are similar to what has been said here. "Focus on tone and intonation, Make each note the same with no emphasis on any note."
harpdude61
1872 posts
Nov 02, 2013
5:03 AM
Wow! That's great! I can only do it 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. I admire your pitch control. Very good.

Taking it up another notch would be to play all these scales two octaves. If you can overdraw hole 10 you can play three of the scales 3 octaves...1st, 3rd, and whatever position starts on 1 draw bent 1/2 step.

I do have a drill that is more about overbend technique than scales. I do quarter notes back and forth between 4 ob and 5 ob, then add in 6 ob for a few times up and down, then start adding in the 7,9,10 overdraws. Nothing but overbends up and down the harp. I found this helpful in developing the ability to start a musical phrase on an overbend.

Like Ninja I am HUGE into wailing on overbends. The 6 OB is great but my favorite for 2nd position wailing is the 7 od and 7 od bent up 1/2 step. Use where you would use 4 draw and 4 draw bent 1/2 step. Same thing.

Great thread and again nice job. The jazz world awaits diatonic players with your abilities.
harpdude61
1873 posts
Nov 02, 2013
5:22 AM
I've got to chime in on 10 blow bend. I learned it using a big open mouth and bending with the throat. I feel like using the tongue or closing the jaw is cheating on a blow bend and the change in resonator size changes the pitch as well as the tone.

Once this method is learned it is no problem to go between the three pitches of 10 blow with vibrato. A great example of this is in Ricci's 1st position play on a YT video. Drifting Blues in Antwerp I think.

I also do what I call a throat warble on blow bends. 10 hole blow down to 10 hole blow bend full step is very useful with speed as fast as any side to side warble. Nothing works but the throat but the relaxed tongue does move as a side effect.
ridge
465 posts
Nov 02, 2013
3:25 PM
Ray, has understanding the major scale in each position helped you with your improv?

I guess what I'm asking is do you find yourself moving fluidly between chord changes in a song and treating chord changes like key changes?

I'm really only at the point where I do this for 2nd position (playing 2nd position over the I, 1st over the IV and 3rd over the V) or in 1st (playing 1st over the I, 12th over the IV and 2nd over the V).

Looking forward to move videos!
The Iceman
1251 posts
Nov 03, 2013
6:02 AM
@ridge..."Looking forward to move videos!"

here ya go...


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ridge
466 posts
Nov 03, 2013
6:15 AM
Thanks for that, Iceman.


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