kudzurunner
4325 posts
Oct 26, 2013
7:57 AM
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This clip of Louis Myers and The Aces sounds to my ears like exactly the right way to play an in-the-pocket shuffle. I'd like to hear from BBQ Bob, tmf, Joe L. and others on this. Please post other videos of exemplary shuffle grooves.
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Komuso
183 posts
Oct 26, 2013
8:06 AM
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Bernie's 'splain'n haf notes!
There's a whole bunch of these worth watching
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Paul Cohen aka Komuso Tokugawa
HarpNinja - Your harmonica Mojo Dojo
Bringing the Boogie to the Bitstream
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Komuso
184 posts
Oct 26, 2013
8:06 AM
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Pt2
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Paul Cohen aka Komuso Tokugawa
HarpNinja - Your harmonica Mojo Dojo
Bringing the Boogie to the Bitstream
Last Edited by Komuso on Oct 26, 2013 8:06 AM
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tmf714
2133 posts
Oct 26, 2013
8:16 AM
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tmf714
2134 posts
Oct 26, 2013
8:19 AM
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barbequebob
2364 posts
Oct 26, 2013
8:36 AM
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Fred Below was and STILL is THE STANDARD when it comes to blues drumming, and he started out as a big band jazz drummer and when he joined Louis Myers and the Aces with Junior Wells fronting the band, he helped create the sound that he adapted from his jazz experience. When he plays a double shuffle, there is clearly a very swinging feel to it and many drummers, ESPECIALLY rock drummers just don't cut that at all, and with rock drummers playing often times ahead of the beat and when there's a solo, even more ahead of the beat in order to push the groove, all that is COMPLETELY lost and falls flat on its face.
There are several different double shuffles, and Bernard Purdie shows another example of that, and then there's the flat tire double shuffle you hear on T-Bone Walker's records often featured and the drummer usually was Oscar Lee Bradley and that has the snare staying on the 2 and the 4 with the upbeats played on a very loose high hat and at any tempo, it is a very difficult groove to master because most drummers will either slow drown or speed up quite drastically and the temp goes down the toilet.
Another double shuffle to think about is one played by Eugene Lyons (often listed as Eugene Lounge) on Louis Myers' own harp insdtrumental Just Wailing.
On Jimmy Rogers' classic Walking By Myself, Fred Below plays the opening instrumental verse with the snare playing off the 1 and the 3 and when the vocal verse comes in, he's back to the snare playing on the 2 and the 4, and most drummers trying to transition from that kind of arrangement will often either drop a beat or totally lose the time, or worse, both.
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Sincerely,
Barbeque Bob Maglinte
Boston, MA
http://www.barbequebob.com
CD available at http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/bbmaglinte
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Rhartt1234
97 posts
Oct 26, 2013
9:15 AM
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The shuffle that Below plays on that first clip and tunes like "Oh Baby" I learned as a "triple shuffle" because of it is a steady accent/fill inside of a double shuffle.
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wolfkristiansen
221 posts
Oct 26, 2013
2:10 PM
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Here's a couple of shuffles I love, at least I hope they're shuffles.
Howling Wolf - You Can't Be Beat. Drummer is Earl Phillips.
Muddy Waters - I Don't Know Why (not on YouTube yet). Drummer is Fred Below.
To my ears, the Muddy Waters shuffle has the same or similar pattern as the shuffle Adam posted at the start of this thread.
Cheers,
wolf kristiansen
Last Edited by wolfkristiansen on Oct 26, 2013 2:19 PM
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Joe_L
2368 posts
Oct 26, 2013
6:04 PM
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Back in the early 80's, I saw the Aces at least once a week. They backed everyone. They could play anything. Blues, swing, jazz and rock and roll. One minute they would be playing a BB King style shuffle. The next tune would be some of the most low, down in the alley stuff that you ever heard. They were just perfect.
I remember you could stuff like what Adam posted seven nights a week and I did. I think thought that type of music would go on forever. It's almost all gone now.
There are a lot of guys that are considered great harp players. Louis was a better harp player than damn near all of them. On guitar, he had few peers.
Two shows will always stick my mind as some of the best stuff that I ever saw. The Aces backing Little Willie Anderson. Willie has a small cult following. He sounded like Little Walter. His phrasing and tone were a lot like Walter's. He even looked a little like Walter. The music was phenomenal.
The second show, they were backing, Robert Jr Lockwood at BLUES on Halstead. It was an amazing musical experience. The place was packed with musicians.
I am a huge fan of Little Walter, but I think that band was what catapulted Walter into stardom. When I saw those guys, they had been playing together for over 30 years. They were incredibly tight, yet still managing maintain a loose feeling and never felt over-rehearsed. They just oozed soul!
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Last Edited by Joe_L on Oct 26, 2013 6:06 PM
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kudzurunner
4326 posts
Oct 26, 2013
6:41 PM
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The clip was courtesy of a channel called bluesouland. The guy has great taste! I'd encourage everybody to go to his channel homepage and sort his videos for "most popular." There are lots of gems there, including the following:
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Last Edited by kudzurunner on Oct 26, 2013 6:43 PM
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1847
1240 posts
Oct 26, 2013
7:01 PM
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so bill graham puts a necklace on albert king
then he takes it back.
you can see a tear well up in the big man's eye. ouch
now that's the blues right there.
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i get a lot of request when i play my harmonica
"but i play it anyway"
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Rick Davis
2595 posts
Oct 26, 2013
8:21 PM
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DrummerWorld: Double Shuffle
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-Little Rick Davis
The Blues Harp Amps Blog
The Mile High Blues Society
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bigd
491 posts
Oct 26, 2013
8:56 PM
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I went to a "finding the groove" clinic this week with Bernard Purdie and Rob Paparozzi at Rob's invite......Pretty Purdie did his pretty shuffle as a demo!
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JInx
602 posts
Oct 26, 2013
9:46 PM
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Sun, sun, sun
Burn, burn, burn
Soon, soon, soon
Moon, moon, moon
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Frank
3122 posts
Oct 27, 2013
4:32 AM
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Relaxed blues drummers are a lot of fun to watch perform :)
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