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new video w/Shine Turner
new video w/Shine Turner
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kudzurunner
4231 posts
Sep 01, 2013
1:25 PM
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This was the opening number from my first gig with Shine in 14 months. No chance for a rehearsal. Seat of the pants. If you've got headphones, you'll notice that the kickdrum (miked with an Audix D6, and with an expert on the board) and the guitar together give us quite a bit of low end. I used to think that I needed big amps outdoors, but here's I'm using the same Premier Twin-8 and Kay 703--three eight inch speakers and about 13 watts, added up--and in this duo context I can't imagine why I'd need more than that. (They're miked, of course, and it takes Cedric on the board a few moments to bring them up in the mix.)
Last Edited by kudzurunner on Sep 01, 2013 1:39 PM
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Grey Owl
289 posts
Sep 02, 2013
11:51 AM
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Nice stuff. Especially like the high end work - very clean and fluid. Also like the kick drum which is further back in the mix on this vid.
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Chinn
95 posts
Sep 02, 2013
2:45 PM
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Good stuff! Was this yesterday?
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JInx
514 posts
Sep 03, 2013
7:43 AM
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sound nice with those bass strings emphasized. but the for me the drums are not what they could be....maybe try for bit of back beat?
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atty1chgo
702 posts
Sep 03, 2013
8:25 AM
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I really like the tone you are getting on the harp. I don't know if it is because it is an outdoor setting or what, but it sounds smooth and full.
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1847
1034 posts
Sep 03, 2013
8:51 AM
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so you used to think you needed a larger amp
now you have 2 amps mic'd thru the pa.
you have a nice sound,obviously there is
no need to change anything.
however are 2 amps needed?
could you not just mic up one of the amps?
or use both amps without the pa?
is the 2nd amp for the echo primarily?
what happened to the idea of having your own pa for the harmonica solomente?
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i get a lot of request when i play my harmonica
"but i play it anyway"
Last Edited by 1847 on Sep 03, 2013 8:51 AM
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kudzurunner
4236 posts
Sep 03, 2013
10:54 AM
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The video was shot in late July. I use two amps for several reasons. One is habit: I've used two amps for more than two decades now, at least when I'm playing solo and in duos; in bands I sometimes use just one amp. A second reason is stage volume: since I use small amps, and since I always mic up the smaller amp--in this case, a Kay with about 4 watts--I don't think that 4 watts would sound quite right in combination with my drums, at least in the immediate vicinity of the stage. A third reason is that stage volume is more of an issue--i.e., a necessity--outdoors, where sound disperses. A fourth reason is that with two amps of slightly different size, I can always crank up the smaller amp into a good distortion/sustain zone, even when I'm forced to keep the second larger amp slightly below optimal volume. On an outdoor stage, it's foolish not to mike up your amps, which is why Cedric the soundman insisted on miking up both.
The harp sound is rich partly because I'm miking up both amps with Sennheiser e906 mics and they add that fullness.
The kickdrum seems further back in the mix because it's a much deeper sound than the one-sided kickdrum I used to use--the one on KICK AND STOMP.
As for the backbeat: I play most of this song using the tambo pedal as the backbeat, which is how I originally recorded the song--the version that got a lot of play on Bluesville. (I guess the DJs liked that amount of backbeat.) At one point here, around 1:22, I tried switching from the tambo pedal to the snare + tambo pedal, but I just didn't like the sound as much and quickly switched back. You can see that switcheroo if you listen closely. As for the volume of the backbeat: that was completely out of my control. The soundman was the final arbiter.
@Jinx and Grey Owl: Did you guys make your comments about the drums after listening on good headphones? I suspect not. Laptops and smartphones make it sound as though there's almost no kickdrum at all, because the kickdrum is working at a low frequency. Through headphones, though, there's a big strong "whoomp."
Last Edited by kudzurunner on Sep 03, 2013 11:00 AM
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Grey Owl
290 posts
Sep 03, 2013
11:27 AM
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Adam:- Probably not the best time to reply after a drinking session this afternoon but....
No, I was listening to the song through my pc with a decent set of headphones and I found the backbeat less insistent and personally to my taste. In a harp/drum performance,I prefer to hear the harp as the dominant instrument with the percussion a little further back in the mix.
This is not a criticism just personal preference and many might disagree.
I enjoyed the performance.
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JInx
517 posts
Sep 03, 2013
2:05 PM
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maybe if it worked more with the bass, to help define the pocket? i don't know. sounds good overall and the superstitious porch vibe is pretty captivating. i bet yall got down to it that day.
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kudzurunner
4237 posts
Sep 03, 2013
2:11 PM
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@Grey Owl: Glad you liked it! I've been really happy with the way that the Farmer double-stomp bass drum gives a deeper, less aggressive sound than the kickdrum I used to use. The snare contraption that I've rigged up for my right foot, on the other hand, works well on some songs and less well on others. It works better on straight time beats than on shuffles; it works better on shuffles when it sinks into the background rather than dominating. So I mute it with a piece of fabric and I don't mike it unless I'm on a big stage.
@jinx: There isn't any bass. There's just a guitarist and me.
Last Edited by kudzurunner on Sep 03, 2013 2:12 PM
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JInx
518 posts
Sep 03, 2013
2:15 PM
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yeah, i thought you would say that.
keep on rocking
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groyster1
2370 posts
Sep 04, 2013
11:21 AM
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I heard the kick drum very well through my pc.....
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