fred_gomez
184 posts
Aug 30, 2013
3:06 PM
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the_happy_honker
161 posts
Aug 30, 2013
3:47 PM
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Meh.
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fred_gomez
185 posts
Aug 30, 2013
4:15 PM
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harpdude61
1797 posts
Aug 30, 2013
4:33 PM
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All those British invasion type guys wanted to play harp. Cool!
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fred_gomez
186 posts
Aug 30, 2013
4:37 PM
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no thats page on harp again not cliff
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Martic
31 posts
Aug 30, 2013
6:45 PM
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It's almost like a style on its own: rock legends playing that dirty, strong and not very well played harmonica.
I remember Robert Plant, Francis Rossi, Lemmy Kilmister, Mark Farner and Bruce Springsteen.
I wonder where did this style come from, and why they never improved, considering they are talented musicians.
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fred_gomez
187 posts
Aug 30, 2013
7:57 PM
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dylan went to england in late 62-early 63.
sonny boy II went to england in 63 and 64, thats british blues harmonica. and not everyone was awful, john mayall is respected, robert plant did some tasty things as did keith relf. brian jones blew mick jagger away. love me do first pop tune with a harp riff for a hook. i know it fills you with bi polar pride to praise yourself and give yourself a complimentary salute, that goes way over your head and pats yourself on the back for all your accomplishments on harmonica and overblowing holes 5-6.
but these guys arent on this forum complaining about the high price of marine bands and how horrible they sound out of a box. talent on harmonica doesnt add up to two dead flies. and these brits are laughing all the way to the bank, as well as american copycats like cooper, tyler and morisette.
sorry dylan and sonny boy could do things i cant. and these british blues wanna bees could and still do things i cant do. you should respect what you cant do. especially if your not world famous.
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Martic
32 posts
Aug 31, 2013
12:51 PM
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Take it easy, man. I'm not saying they are bad, I just say their style doesn't fit in what we call "the correct harmonica tecnique", since they don't play clean notes and their head shakes and bends are not the best.
When you talk about John Lennon I don't think he was a bad player. Actually, he made simple things and he played them very well. He's fine for me. The same with John Mayall, when he was young he played great stuff. Now he doesn't play that good, but it's normal, he's almost 80 years old. And personally I love The Rolling Stones blues tunes.
I'm just saying it's like a harmonica style, that raw and dirty way to play. Not saying it's bad, it's just a way to play, and I wonder if there's something in common between all of those players who shared this "style".
Have a nice day!
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fred_gomez
188 posts
Aug 31, 2013
2:09 PM
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"the correct harmonica tecnique"
hmm i always heard that blues harp broke all the rules. and the correct way to play harmonica is first position german oom pah pah muzik.
blues guitar, especially open tuned blues guitar is the absolutely wrong way. why did pioneers slash thier speakers with razors if distortion is so "dirty filthy ickey poo" non pretty way to play?
doesnt magic dick shake his head? so its ok for guitar players to get dirty and sloppy but not harp players. why are we using crap mics and overdriving small speakers if were supposed to play like larry adler in a tuxedo?
to me lennon was crap and the beatles a boy band. jagger is a horrible player an even worse person, brian jones was great. yes thay all had something in common they all saw sonny boy williams and bob dylan on tv in 63-65 then they came to the usa in the first british invasion and sold you back bob dylan and the chicago blues. you bought it and bought it again the second invasion eurythmics/boy george/pretenders. before dylan and sonny boy rock harmonica was wayne rainey and jerry mccaine, both borderline proto psycho billy punk. dylan based his playing on rainey, jerry learned from sonny boy. nobody in the uk knew rainey or mccaine.
so who invented dirty music? hard to say. but the brits love the bob dylan sound of air passing through their fingers as if it was in a rack, and playing sloppy chords which only worked on the echo vamper in just intonation.
this knowlege is called cynism not trolling. trolls just want a reaction they dont beleive in what they say.
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tmf714
1917 posts
Aug 31, 2013
2:15 PM
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Fairly lame video-Page is and always will be a guitar player first-I will admit that his harmonica playing leaves some room for improvement-but it's foolish to actually think that is good harp playing.
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Mojokane
716 posts
Aug 31, 2013
2:30 PM
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jethro was a badass...
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tmf714
1918 posts
Aug 31, 2013
2:32 PM
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"jethro was a badass..."
You mean Ian?
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harmonicanick
2013 posts
Aug 31, 2013
2:34 PM
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Hey Fred, Robert Plant played Bristol uk on Thursday night with his band - not a harmonica in sight, thank god.
All those old lead singers tried playing but they were crap. Poor aged John Mayall, who I know, cannot hack it on the harp now.
Paul jones of Manfred Mann (60.s) is still an awesome bluesman and harp player..
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atty1chgo
698 posts
Aug 31, 2013
3:22 PM
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Jethro Tull must have influenced John Popper -
Last Edited by atty1chgo on Aug 31, 2013 3:23 PM
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fred_gomez
189 posts
Aug 31, 2013
3:54 PM
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so jack bruce cant play harmonica? i quite like plant he blows tyler away. also why are honher signature harps all shitty white guys who cant play?
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tmf714
1920 posts
Aug 31, 2013
4:01 PM
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Jack bruce is a guitar player as well-you are not getting it-those guys "played" harp as a novelty-it was not heir full time gig. -Plant is ok. The Signature series pays tribute to those artists-they are really show pieces-you can play them,but my John Lennon sits in its original packing,never played.
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groyster1
2360 posts
Aug 31, 2013
4:07 PM
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Im really think the brits loved our harp players from America and gave it their best shot.......who can blame them?its what I do...........don't you?
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fred_gomez
191 posts
Aug 31, 2013
4:21 PM
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OMG you bought one?
ROMAL
yeah you have to admit it they were full of enthusiam and helped carry the torch. heres to shitty harp players/blues singers
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tmf714
1921 posts
Aug 31, 2013
4:49 PM
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" OMG you bought one?
ROMAL"
No-it was given to me by my Mom as a Christmas gift
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The Iceman
1134 posts
Sep 01, 2013
4:38 AM
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Don't think any of these British musicians being criticized were as into harmonica as we on this forum.
Look to their broader contributions with their music.
(for instance, Syd Barrett was a musical genius - not a blues guy. Read up on his life story and that of Pink Floyd's some day. Very fascinating stuff).
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fred_gomez
192 posts
Sep 01, 2013
7:12 AM
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i couldnt disagree more. he also played in a backup band for eddie "guitar" burns
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The Iceman
1136 posts
Sep 01, 2013
8:34 AM
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s'not too hard to go digging for all recordings by artists like Syd and come up with something that don't sound so good.
He was insane, y'know, so had flashes of brilliance mixed with just plain crazy.
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The Iceman
1138 posts
Sep 01, 2013
9:27 AM
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oopsy, was thinking of later in his life when he wandered into the recording studio when Pink Floyd was recording "Shine On You Crazy Diamond".
No one denies that he was very intense, had a lot of personal power and was very charismatic.
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fred_gomez
193 posts
Sep 01, 2013
3:50 PM
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this was 8 months before the "75 EMI appearance"
he could still play and make sound effects, they wouldnt let him back in the band. he was crushed.
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Honkin On Bobo
1140 posts
Sep 03, 2013
12:19 PM
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Was away on vaca for a few weeks came back, perused a few threads, so naturally as a Led Zep fan I had to open up a thread entitled jimmy page.
It's nice to see the forum tradition of trashing rock legends on a wholesale basis is still alive and well.
Well done lads.
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fred_gomez
196 posts
Sep 03, 2013
2:01 PM
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yeah honk i dont get it, if you play bad guitar in open tunings thats called the real deal blues. if you play dylanesque or british style its called shit harp.
anyay back to sonny boy in the uk. when sonny came home after recording with jimmy page and stabbing a guy the "band" went looking for him. sonny was supposed to be the lead singer for the band. but he died and never made it to the newport folk fest. instead dylan took his place with the "band" backing him.
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arnenym
190 posts
Sep 03, 2013
2:33 PM
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"It's nice to see the forum tradition of trashing rock legends on a wholesale basis is still alive and well.
Well done lads"
LOL...
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SuperBee
1404 posts
Sep 03, 2013
2:41 PM
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That's a good story Fred. I never heard that before. Do you know Billy Shines? He had lots of good stories about Sonny.
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tmf714
1934 posts
Sep 03, 2013
2:56 PM
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Sonny set his hotel room on fire trying to cook a rabbit in a coffee percolator-
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tmf714
1935 posts
Sep 03, 2013
3:02 PM
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tmf714
1936 posts
Sep 03, 2013
3:03 PM
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tmf714
1937 posts
Sep 03, 2013
3:06 PM
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tmf714
1938 posts
Sep 03, 2013
3:10 PM
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tmf714
1939 posts
Sep 03, 2013
3:11 PM
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tmf714
1940 posts
Sep 03, 2013
3:12 PM
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sonny3
28 posts
Sep 03, 2013
6:49 PM
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I think it was sonny that said about the British bands,"they want to play the blues so bad, and they do!".also didn't Butterfield band back up Dylan at Newport?
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Tweedaddict
99 posts
Sep 03, 2013
7:15 PM
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Nice thread...?...!!!
Last time I saw Ian and band was 1994... Jethros 30th? anniv. And local bike gangs 25th anniv. Hence they brought jethro Tull over to play at the party.... WHAT a friggin party it was.
Btw,
thanks shagger! You put on one helluva gig mate...
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tmf714
1941 posts
Sep 03, 2013
7:32 PM
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On the night of Sunday, July 25, Dylan's appearance was sandwiched between Cousin Emmy and the Sea Island singers, two decidedly traditional acts.[6] The band that went on stage to back Dylan included two musicians who had played on his recently released single, "Like a Rolling Stone": Mike Bloomfield on lead guitar and Al Kooper on organ. Two of Bloomfield's bandmates from the Paul Butterfield Blues Band also appeared at Newport: bassist Jerome Arnold and drummer Sam Lay, along with Barry Goldberg on piano
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fred_gomez
197 posts
Sep 03, 2013
8:05 PM
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my bad (Bob Dylan hired The Hawks for his famed, controversial tour of 1966, his first wide exposure as an electrified rock and roll performer rather than his earlier acoustic folk sound.) still this was a mysterious and spooky thing, making dylan the god of british / wannabee british american rock harmonica played in a loose cup.
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Baker
319 posts
Sep 04, 2013
5:12 AM
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@Martic – this came up on the forum a little while ago. Adam (I think) christened it "Biker Harp" – which lived for a little while. Have a look on the forum search for it.
I grew up listening to both the British guys and the old blues guys – I'm from the UK and my dad was really in to it.
Personally I never really liked the early stuff the british bands where doing when they were trying to play straight up blues. I don't think they ever really got IT – Unsurprisingly as they were white middle class art students – Ha! However what evolved from their early interest I did really like, and what they turned it into has shaped popular music.
I think the main reason a lot of the British harmonica players at the time didn't improve past "biker harp" was that there was no information. No one to teach them. There's an interview with Jagger somewhere where he talks about learning about 2nd position. This was a massive deal!
The few people who did know had had to figure it out themselves the hard way.
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