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1847
972 posts
Aug 13, 2013
6:13 PM


I have been experimenting with increasing the gain, I have pulled the au7 tube…. Currently using
Ay7
Ay7
5751 in the phase inverter slot

the au7 is a great sounding tube for sure, the current set up is much louder
which can be beneficial when playing large venues or out doors.
I also have been trying various
Overdrive pedals with mixed results.
Here is a recording with a “rat” overdrive. It is a little much, especially because the battery was dying. But I kinda like it.
I also have a tube overdrive that works quite well. A friend of mine has a lonesome wolf octave pedal, very much looking forward to giving that a test drive.

I hit a few bad notes, the tune is in Am and I hit an F# a few times
Not sure if that is legal lol
Also some of the notes were sticking
That is never good




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capnj
148 posts
Aug 13, 2013
8:00 PM
Great to be able to switch tubes,not expensive per say,and always come in handy.You sound like a confident player willing to live on the edge of improv,and I go for that.
As of late I'm trying to dial in a Princeton Reverb,and going to cut my gain,with an AY7 or 5751 just to see if that special sound I'm after comes out.The 3 AX7's cut well,with treble 1 to 3,and bass 8 to 10,and with that does not usually sound that trebly,and gets me heard through some mod. vol. level guitar.

That being said I have used the lw pedals,and mxr delay to tailor or voice the amp different.Definately take the lw octave for a spin,I keep it at 12 or less with vol. and blend,and can hear some nice punch with it.I am not pimping lw,but like their products,especially harp attack on the big hg50,and princeton for that matter.In other words I spent the big bucks,got some good pedals,and now can try some tube subs.Bottom line is more gain can be good,up to that screech level,I guess we can all hear that.

Funny how we all hear different,guitar buddy says you need some compression,cranks up lw delay v2 2/2/5 dam near pegging it thought it would be messy,voila compression on a cm mike good for rock.

Last Edited by capnj on Aug 13, 2013 8:12 PM
Greg Heumann
2315 posts
Aug 13, 2013
8:57 PM
The more gain, the harder feedback is to control, and the more it feels like a 3 position switch: too soft, very loud, and feedback.
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HarpNinja
3408 posts
Aug 14, 2013
6:16 AM
I use a Tech 21 Blonde to the PA. I have it set up like a clean Bassman. I then use a Lone Wolf HarpBreak for an OD pedal. It adds a good amount of crunch/mids and sounds very bluesy.

The trick here, is I use an SM58 as a mic. By itself, it doesn't hit the HB hard enough to cause over the top distortion. To remedy this, I use a LW Flat Cat with the volume turned up. That makes the mic much "hotter" going into the HB.

The added benefit of the FC too, is the compression and creating a less tinny sound straight to the PA.

What I find with the 58 right to a monitor is that there are big lows and highs...it sounds to high fi and wide. The compressor adds a lot of meat to the middle of the tone, if that makes sense.
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Rick Davis
2224 posts
Aug 14, 2013
8:35 AM
Mike, I watched a YouTube video of the Tech 21 Blonde with guitar. WOW! Very cool. Can you put up a harp demo with that pedal alone?



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Last Edited by Rick Davis on Aug 14, 2013 8:36 AM
HarpNinja
3409 posts
Aug 14, 2013
9:01 AM
At some point, yes. Basically, though, with a clean mike, all the controls are very harp friendly. You can't assume you'll set them like a real amp, however.

For example, I can get low end feedback with the bass above noon, but still get a solid bottom end with it at like 11 o'clock.


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HarpNinja
3410 posts
Aug 14, 2013
9:06 AM
This is a shitty demo of the pedal, but it is here:


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1847
974 posts
Aug 14, 2013
10:03 AM
first of all i am using a kinder anti feed backer +
without that, some of these experiments would go bust rather quickly
mark ford is using a high gain amp with a high gain mic
and he gets a loud clear signal. i am trying to approximate that sound
using a butler tube overdrive. still have a ways to go.
we did try out the lone wolf octave with the kinder and the lower gain tubes
it worked better than all the other experiments, very nice sound.
i should just buy one they are not at all expensive
"why but the cow when the milk is free" lol
there is a guy at the swap meet selling tubes
he asks me what i am looking for i tell him
12ax7 he says you and everyone else
ha asks me what i need them for so i tell him
he says he has a few if he can just find them
he will save them for me. he seems to be at the swap meet mostly to socialize
and get outside. someone asked him how much for a tube
he says i dont know whats fair? thirty cents?
he was only joking.... he obviously wanted a dollar
it has been quite some time since i have used 3... 12ax7's in my amp
not sure if i will get to many opportunities to play at that volume.
that tech 21 pedal sound very nice. what sort of hardware do you need to
use that on the computer?



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master po

i get a lot of request when i play
"but i play anyway"
tmf714
1883 posts
Aug 14, 2013
10:05 AM
Kinder anti feed backer+ -LOL

Last Edited by tmf714 on Aug 14, 2013 10:05 AM
1847
976 posts
Aug 14, 2013
10:22 AM
tmf714 you are only laughing because you have a harpking?
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master po

i get a lot of request when i play
"but i play anyway"
tmf714
1885 posts
Aug 14, 2013
10:38 AM
@1847-No-I own 4 HarpKings. Its ANTI FEEDBACK +
1847
978 posts
Aug 14, 2013
10:49 AM
it's no wonder i can never find one used on ebay
i can't fucking spell
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master po

i get a lot of request when i play
"but i play anyway"

Last Edited by
1847 on Aug 14, 2013 10:49 AM
tmf714
1886 posts
Aug 14, 2013
11:02 AM
Just bustin on ya 1847-but they are a rare find.


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