Destin
54 posts
Aug 04, 2013
4:09 PM
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I can't seem to figure it out.
For big gigs micing the small amp gives me problems cause I can't hear myself and the stage monitor just causes feedback.
For juke joints I just can't cut through the guitar player. Is 4 10's (fender bassman ) the only size amp that will work in a gig with no pa while trying to compete with a guitar player ?
I currently own a small vintage with 2 6x9's , and I'm ready to buy something bigger for gigs with no pa. I would like something with 2 8's but I don't know if that would be loud enough and they are hard to find.
Sometimes it seems like i could get loud enough with a fender jr but I always get feedback. Would something like a princeton work with a kinder anti Fb pedal?
Thanks yall
Last Edited by Destin on Aug 04, 2013 4:10 PM
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SuperBee
1341 posts
Aug 04, 2013
4:23 PM
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No a 410 is not the only thing, but it's one of the safest bets. I wish I'd gone there sooner. I'd have several fewer amps and a couple thousand more dollars.
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Greg Heumann
2298 posts
Aug 05, 2013
9:18 AM
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HI, Destin
Does it have to be 4 10" speakers? No. The HarpGear 50 1210 would work - it has (guess what) a 12" and a 10". My Sonny Jr. Avenger has a 12, a 10 and 2 8's and does the job too. But a 4x10 configuration is the most popular among amps of that size range.
There is no substitute for lots of speaker area and lots of power to hear yourself on stage when things get loud.
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Last Edited by Greg Heumann on Aug 05, 2013 9:18 AM
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Harpaholic
319 posts
Aug 05, 2013
2:11 PM
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Harp Gear Double Trouble, 18 watts 2x8. Problem is you may need to mic it thru the PA.
I would much rather have a 2x10 set up over a 2x8 with no PA
If I was in the market for a great harp, I would buy a Mission 2x10 or 3x10, problem solved!
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Destin
56 posts
Aug 05, 2013
2:50 PM
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Thanks Greg it's funny you mentioned that Avenger, I'm considering that but the websites down and there is a lack of info on the web about it. I was wondering if the 12 and 10 can be bypassed easily.
I really like the small speaker sound but think sometimes I'm gonna need the 10 and 12 when I'm playing with a rock guitar
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Tblues1
38 posts
Aug 05, 2013
3:04 PM
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Destin, I have a 50W Mission Amps 2x10 and have no problem being heard without using the PA. I have not yet needed the line out. The nice thing about is its smaller size over a 4x10, so it's a little easier to move around and in/out of the car.
Bruce can offer different configurations to your liking.
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Kingley
2972 posts
Aug 05, 2013
3:04 PM
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The Sonny Jr range of amps are no longer being made. If you want an Avenger you'll have to keep an eye out for one secondhand. Those Mission amps sound good and the HarpGear amps are superb. A Harpgear HG1210 or HG410 would be ideal. Also a Bassman or Concert amp would be very good too.
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blueswannabe
240 posts
Aug 05, 2013
3:35 PM
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I have the mission Chicago 32-20 and I have gigged indoors and out
And it is plenty loud for me. Bruce can set you up with any combo you want. Just tell him your concerns.
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Kingley
2974 posts
Aug 05, 2013
3:51 PM
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Personally I'd say go out and try a few big amps first before you buy one if you can. That way you'll have more idea of what you like. I'd also bear in mind that just because a boutique amp is harp specific doesn't mean it's always the best choice. The Fender '59 Bassman , Super Reverb and Concert amps have been the first choice of many top pro players for decades. Even to this day more pros players use Fender amps than boutique ones.
Last Edited by Kingley on Aug 05, 2013 4:02 PM
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Littoral
954 posts
Aug 05, 2013
4:14 PM
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I hosted a session yesterday with 3 of us on harp, 20 amps, 6-8 pedals, and a PA. One result from the session has been repeated here countless times: there is no simpler way to than to get a reissue bassman and change some tubes. The right mic helps a whole lot. None of this will ever "solve" the issue but you'll have tools for the trade. After that save your money.
I sure did figure out my PA plan though...!
Last Edited by Littoral on Aug 05, 2013 4:16 PM
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Kingley
2976 posts
Aug 05, 2013
4:28 PM
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I have to say that when it comes to being heard and hearing myself over any band. The Lone Wolf Harp Attack has been a godsend. It's one of the best pieces of kit I've ever bought. I never have feedback problems with it and I can get louder than any guitarist if I want too.
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Rick Davis
2193 posts
Aug 05, 2013
4:49 PM
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You need more than 30 watts and at least two 10-inch speakers to get to a nice gig level. But still the guitarist can drown you out if he wants to -- even if you have a Bassman or HarpKing.
In most settings with reasonably sane guitarists you will be fine with something like the Mission 32-20 amp. Having the line out makes it even more versatile.
My Bassman with the Kinder AFB+ pedal can get enormously loud but it still has its limits. Lately I've been gigging the smaller Mission Delta Sonic amp lined out to the PA. If it is on a chair I can hear it's 15 watts fine even at blues jams.
Still, there is a degree of satisfaction in hauling out a big brute amp like the Bassman and letting it rip.
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Last Edited by Rick Davis on Aug 05, 2013 4:58 PM
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Littoral
955 posts
Aug 05, 2013
6:15 PM
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Kingley and I covering the same territory again (PA).
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blueswannabe
241 posts
Aug 05, 2013
8:17 PM
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I have used a direct in box and a harp attack and harp delay into a PA. You can do quite well with that set-up. But if there is no PA, you will need more speakers. A good option is to have an amp with enough speaker surface area abd power and a line out so you can go into a PA. All the amps mentioned here, sonny jr., harp gear and mission allow you do do this.
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jbone
1323 posts
Aug 05, 2013
9:58 PM
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I had a very nice Bassman replica hand made some years ago and sold it last year. I had to face facts, I was not gigging with it in favor of something smaller in smaller rooms and venues, and lugging a 4x10 around for little or no pay sucked. It is true, if a guitarist wants to cover you up he generally can. In situations where that comes up I just head off stage. I'm a bit old for the head cutting rituals of young bull/old bull. My ears have lost some mids as it is and I'd rather play with less amp and over all less volume and keep what hearing I have left!
Adam favors the 2x8 setup, old Premier maps. Hard to find these days I think.
Try a 12 or 15 watt on a chair or kicked back so the sound hits someplace above your knees.
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Greg Heumann
2299 posts
Aug 05, 2013
11:16 PM
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I just remembered - I know a guy selling an HG1210 - at least I think it is still available. Contact me offline for his contact info.
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blueswannabe
248 posts
Aug 08, 2013
8:53 PM
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Here is a sonny Junior cruncher for sale on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=231029070393&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en#ht_534wt_1257
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