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Frank
1922 posts
Jan 22, 2013
5:04 PM
Taking a page from Noodles play book, that was fun Noodles :)

Can you decipher this Kim Wilson 2 bar 4 chord lick?

ridge
384 posts
Jan 22, 2013
5:26 PM
I'll try first...

C Harp in 2nd Position (G)

1st Part: (-1)/4' -4 3' -2 +4 +3 3'
Description: 1 draw sliding into 4 draw bend to 4 draw to 3 half step bend 2 draw 4 blow 3 blow (could be 2 draw) to 3 half step bend

2nd Part: 1' -1 2" -2 3' -2
Description: 1 draw bend 1 draw 2 draw bend 2 draw 3 half step bend 2 draw

EDIT: I'm on the fence on the second part where I have 1 draw bend... it could be 1 blow to 1 draw. Kind of undecided here.
END EDIT

This is more of an exercise in tabbing, which I am awful at. This probably took me about 20 listens, but I feel like I have this 85-90% there, with the remaining part being Kim's ballsiness and style.

Last Edited by on Jan 22, 2013 5:27 PM
puri
16 posts
Jan 22, 2013
5:56 PM
I'll give it a shot too, since I happened to have a C harp right next to my computer and I'm really bad at tabbing..

start with 2 draw jump to 4 draw half step bend then slide from 5 draw down to 3 draw dip with a leak of 4 draw (to me it's a Kim's thing to give the passage a rough texture) then tongue pull for the upbeat before 4 blow tongue pull again and then 3&4 dip to 2 draw whole step bend as a pssing note to 1 draw now back to 2 draw whole step bend and then 2 draw and then 3&4 dip and end with 2 draw.. I'm pretty sure this is accurate :)
5F6H
1511 posts
Jan 23, 2013
12:51 AM
3Draw halfstep bend 4blow 4 draw 3&4 draw together 2draw 2 draw full bend.

2draw 1 draw 2 draw full bend 2draw 3&4draw together, 2 draw.
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gene
1117 posts
Jan 23, 2013
9:35 AM
Here's my guess:

(The first note of each line are grace notes.)

3 -4' -3'
3 -4' -3'
-2 -1 2 -2 -3' -2
ridge
386 posts
Jan 23, 2013
1:51 PM
I guess we all technically failed so far since Frank asked which notes were used.

Whoops!

LOL @ Ryan's post :D

Last Edited by on Jan 23, 2013 2:16 PM
Rhartt1234
74 posts
Jan 23, 2013
2:27 PM
Yes.
Frank
1928 posts
Jan 23, 2013
2:25 PM
YOU all did GREAT...using #'s are okay when writing notes out...my personal preference is to write out the notes because they seem more alive to me or meaningful...but numbers are fine :)

I will put some of my thoughts up tomorrow - but again you guys are GOOD...Specially Ridge - wham-bam-thank you maim dit in no time flat!!!
Frank
1932 posts
Jan 24, 2013
4:41 PM
This may be wrong, but like you guys. it's how it is sounding to me at the moment...May change the more I mess with it?

I’m just putting down the single notes that I’m hearing – use your imagination on dynamics and technique to get effects Kim is getting…Also good luck on achieving Kim’s perfect attack on that little riff – its well worth the effort of trying to get it to sound like he is doing it :)

2 (G)…. 4 (Db)…. 4 (D)…. 3 (Bb)….

2(G)…. 4 (C)… 3(G)… 3 (Bb)

2 (G)… 1 (D)…. 2 (F)…. 2(G)…. 3 (Bb)…. 2 (G)

Last Edited by on Jan 24, 2013 4:55 PM
5F6H
1521 posts
Jan 25, 2013
12:53 AM
@ Frank "This may be wrong, but like you guys. it's how it is sounding to me at the moment..."

It is wrong. The clip doesn't change the way it sounds, it sounds the same every time...put it down to Kim's consistency if you like ;-)




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Frank
1934 posts
Jan 25, 2013
5:23 AM
Figures, second time I was wrong this week,hahahahaha... but that's one of the reasons I like studying a cool phrase to try and get it right :)

The clip does sound different to me at times and I'll change or add a not or two and see how I like it...Sure, it's the same clip - though I'll hear it differently as I try to zero in on certain aspects of it.

Ultimately, for me personally, after gettin the notes in order the best way I can... it is getting that RAW,CRUNCHY lick to sound like Kim's that is a fun and interesting pursuit :) Man can he get that "C" harp to sizzle like a pan full of bacon with the heat on high!
Frank
1937 posts
Jan 25, 2013
10:25 AM
Here is an acoustic go at it :)changed up the notes a little...

bonedog569
799 posts
Jan 25, 2013
10:26 AM
"sizzle like a pan full of bacon with the heat on high!" NICE -
I'm stealing it for a song lyric - unless your legal team says otherwise.
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Last Edited by on Jan 25, 2013 10:26 AM
ridge
389 posts
Jan 25, 2013
2:54 PM
So here's my revised tab

-2 '4 -4 '3 -2 +4 +3 '3 -2

-1 "2 -2 -1 '3 -2

The Iceman
702 posts
Jan 25, 2013
3:09 PM
2 (G)…. 4 (Db)…. 4 (D)…. 3 (Bb)….

2(G)…. 4 (C)… 3(Bb)…

1 (D)…. 2 (F)…. 2(G)…. 3 (Bb) 2 (G)

There is grit in the Bb's, as he lets a bit o' hole 4 bleed in.

It's one of those licks that is actually less notes than you might think...keeping in mind that Kim also uses his implied forward momentum and TB (real or simulated) techniques.

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Frank
1938 posts
Jan 26, 2013
6:03 AM
Bdog…hahahahahahaha…I have a feeling – your song is going to end up R-rated with that line in it

Nice job Ridge. You always amaze me with your ability to quickly decipher harp lines and make them your own.

With my attempt of the lick in the video, I did decide to subtract notes from my earlier equation… and most certainly Kim always LOVES combining notes to make nice FAT tonal bombs… I believe the bends I’m hearing on his double stops are “dip bends”…That’s how I played them in my video. Agreed, the momentum of that lick is in the inflections of his breathing prowess and embouchure techniques
5F6H
1526 posts
Jan 26, 2013
9:32 AM
"Agreed, the momentum of that lick is in the inflections of his breathing prowess and embouchure techniques "

...not to mention playing notes that no one seems to be able to find on their harp! (cue: roll-eyes emoticon...where's the roll-eyes emoticon when you need it?) Ridge & Frank, you are chopping the notes & making it too staccatto, it's more fluid (as well as playing different notes).


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Last Edited by on Jan 26, 2013 10:25 AM
Frank
1940 posts
Jan 27, 2013
6:39 AM
It’s a beautiful dilemma …Don't confuse the First Step with "utopia.” that is a common mistake one makes as their mind subtly devalues the First Step. What is more natural a Rhinoceros or a Kim Wilson lick?
ridge
390 posts
Jan 27, 2013
7:05 AM
I really liked the idea of Frank's thread. It motivated me to try something different. The clip is deceivingly tough to decipher especially for someone who doesn't listen to Kim frequently. The way the he moves around the harmonica forces me to break certain patterns or moves that I'm accustomed to doing.

As for me playing it to staccato, well, that's just generally a problem in my playing. I'm not sure how I'll correct it or change, but I know I'll get there someday. I'm already critical of myself, but that's what keeps me moving forward and improving.

Mark, I'm sure you're just busting me and Frank's chops and that's cool with me. But let me leave you with this: it's a lot easier to tell somebody they're wrong in this situation than it is to actually produce something that is correct.
Frank
1941 posts
Jan 27, 2013
7:53 AM
Ridge your pleasant interaction must be annoying him, I doubt if engaging such a person in conversation will be helpful. As far as the cute eye roll thing, it's probably just a nervous tick.
5F6H
1527 posts
Jan 27, 2013
8:37 AM
Ridge, you are quite right...it's easy to simply criticise & find fault. I thought Frank wanted the lick deciphered rather than a "play this lick better than me..." competition. But in the sprit of friendly banter & participation here is my entry, also a slowed down version...



Kim sounds like he is skipping over the 1Draw, after the first 3&4 draw & before the first straight 2 draw, which I omitted...I can rerecord if you think necessary, but I'm sure you get the gist.





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Last Edited by on Jan 27, 2013 8:44 AM
timeistight
1068 posts
Jan 28, 2013
9:48 AM
@Frank: I can't access the lick you posted on my phone. Where's it from?
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Frank
1943 posts
Jan 29, 2013
7:27 AM
It's set to private - it probably can only be accessed from this MBH thread.


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