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mister satans apprentice
mister satans apprentice
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schaef6o
12 posts
Oct 27, 2009
5:17 PM
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I've just finnish reading mister satans apprentice great book.So I thought i would offer it to someone on the forum.so first one to reply gets it.only one string,I would like you to offer the book to someone on this forum when your done reading.
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Hobostubs Ashlock
63 posts
Oct 27, 2009
5:43 PM
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i like to read it
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Elwood
184 posts
Oct 28, 2009
5:56 AM
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Not sure how polite it is to discuss the second-hand market for Gussow's book on his own forum. Sure, he's operated on a "sharing is caring" basis in much of what he's done for harmonica, but does that extend to his books?
I guess it depends whether you're selling it or "giving it all away"...
At any rate, the re-release is out in less than a month, so have-at...
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BillBailey
42 posts
Oct 28, 2009
6:06 AM
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Bingo, Elwood.
I'm blessed to be an author and the royalty checks from purchases are mucho appreciated (even if it only seven percent of the retail!). But I also get 'sharing-is-caring' and recycling. I honor that, too.
Just like lots of musicians have been screwed out of sales and royalties from free file-sharing---book authors lose when books are sold used, etc.
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thorvaldsen76
38 posts
Oct 28, 2009
8:58 AM
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I guess I am pretty old-fashioned when it comes to books and records:) I like to buy them and I like that they are original and not copied or downloaded from a filesharing-site...
So I bought the book from Amazon in August and I'm still waiting for the release. I'm really looking forward to it!!
I also download most of Adams lessons. Even the ones that aren't exactly in my interest. I guess it's my way of supporting Adam and giving him something back for everything he has given me. Not just on YT but whenever I have had a question about harmonicaplaying:) I am not saying that this is the right way and that I think the others are doing it wrong,it just makes me feel better:)
Kent Erik aka 9fingers
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Hobostubs Ashlock
66 posts
Oct 28, 2009
9:30 AM
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hey ive bought 5 or 6 of his lessons.I feel like im getting a guilt trip laid on me for accepting to read his book.And i thought about well he wont get his cut if i read it for free.but it was offered and i would allmost bet im the brokest mo fo on this website.they say you have to live the blues well step in my shoes.i wont go into details but sometimes learning to play the harp has kept me from saying goodbye to it all.Tried to sell my soul to the devil but the devil was broke i guess i walk this rode alone.going crazy day by day
Last Edited by on Oct 28, 2009 9:47 AM
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thorvaldsen76
39 posts
Oct 28, 2009
12:04 PM
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Hobo: can't speek for the others but I have no intentions to lay a guilt trip on you. I know a lot about being broke,for sure..
I haven't tried to sell my soul to the devil,but a friend of mine says I'm so stubborn that when I go to hell they're not gonna let me in. He's pretty sure the devil is gonna give me a torch and tell me to start on my own...lol..
Kent Erik aka 9fingers
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belfast_harper
70 posts
Oct 28, 2009
12:50 PM
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I don't think borrowing books or selling used books is anything like file sharing.
Selling is used books is the same as selling 2nd hand records and CDs, I haven't heard the music industry complaining about the loss of royalties from that yet.
I haven't heard of any publishers trying to close down public libraries either.
Books publishers are going to find out what file sharing is like with the event of the sony reader and the kindle.
Last Edited by on Oct 28, 2009 1:01 PM
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wallyns10
64 posts
Oct 28, 2009
1:23 PM
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hobostubs, I feel for you, like really man. Plus I might take your wager. at this point I have $47.00 to my name and no job. Thank God or whatever that my parents are paying for most of my school, at least up front. But what the hell is money, right?
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BillBailey
45 posts
Oct 28, 2009
2:07 PM
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Please don't feel guilty nor decline books offered. I'm not into guilt.
But as an author I do make part of my living when people buy books, just like a musician earns money from CD sales and from iTunes and other legal downloads.
Part of the argument goes like this. With the advent of high-tech, high-volume booksellers, used or remaindered copies of books (sometimes CDs) can compete side-by-side virtually from first day published. So, if a customer sees a used book (or CD) at a third-off, next to a new one on Amazon or eBay, they buy the lower priced used book and the author get screwed -- so does the publisher and other employees down the pub food chair. Pretty simple, online booksellers are aggressively marketing used books that total nearly $2.5 billion in annual sales.
Just like musicians have gotten gipped by file-sharing and from second-hand CD sales. Demand goes down and the folks that produced the creative product lose. My students buy used textbooks all the time and save hundreds every semester. I feel for them, too. It's sad that text books cost northward of $200 and there's a captive audiences. There are many sides to the issue. It's little wonder that new textbook price keep going up as publishers try to make up for used book sales. What a conundrum...now the student is getting screwed and that sucks, too---or, the most.
I know it's a bargain to buy used books, but each year at least 150 million books are sold used and the author doesn't get paid---and the demand goes down for new books which the author does get a small slice of the action called a royalty--same deal in music. Used book sales is a powerhouse and profit center for online booksellers, so I doubt anything is going to change.
Anyway, I guess the fundamental question is whether used books (or CD, file-sharing) is hurting the market for new book or CD (legal iTunes and other downloads) sales as authors and musicians believe? Or, do cheap used books and downloads simply enable more customers to buy music and books they otherwise might not have bought? Save textbooks, I think used book sales comes at an expense of new books in print. Since sales figures are closely guarded, we may never know the full extent of all this stuff.
Or does the sale of a used CD or book trigger a new fan that buys a new books the next time? No research here, either.
As I said, there are many viewpoints (the consumer, musician's, writer's, retailers, poor students, etc.). It's a complex issue, too, and I losing energy writing about it. And, as a practical matter, sellers could never track used book sales and pay writers (or musicians) anyway. Hum, I wonder if fashion designers get money from thrift stores?
Ah, perhaps writer and musicians are selfish for wanting to get paid for talent, years of hard work and intensive labor. I wish the was a middle ground, perhaps it's merely being sensitive to author and musicians desire to make a living. I could go on, but I'll spare you. An interesting subject, however.
*Only the 'Nook' (the new Barnes and Noble eReader will share books), Kindle and Sony Reader don't allow shared files. Apple is designer a reader, too, and you know books will only from iTunes.)
Last Edited by on Oct 28, 2009 2:44 PM
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Hobostubs Ashlock
67 posts
Oct 28, 2009
3:03 PM
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Im sorry for getting upset I just like to read about stuff im interested in.If i was making a living with my music or writing i would probelly look at it different.Ive wrote and recorded 75 songs this year on my 8 track and posted them on acid planet the good the bad and the ugly but there, there for anybody to download and enjoy .I have escaped death 3 times in the last 15 years and i look at it like its a way to leave something behind after im gone.If i should die tomorrow then my niece could go and be part of my life.I have left something of myself.If i was selling them and i would if i could i might have a different attitude.The way i see it i could see what makes Adam tick.Its like the other day i was wondering about This Guy Adam says was his mentor Nat Riddles i just started watching the videos a while back.Well i thought he's aparently a great blues harp player.So i googled the name and found out he had passed away.And i thought the world might not know about him if not for adam except the few that was deep into the scene.I hadnt heard about him untill adams talk about him.Im not real educated in the blues greats but you get my point.His life lives on in a way,And by passing down a book of blues history to a few interested it kinda helps keep it real.Im not sure what is all in the book but i am willing to read it and find out.Its great to make money as a artist but without the money would there still be art?
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arzajac
72 posts
Oct 28, 2009
3:09 PM
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"Just like musicians have gotten gipped by file-sharing and from second-hand CD sales. Demand goes down and the folks that produced the creative product lose."
That's not entirely correct. Musicians don't get gypped by file sharing. They get gypped by music publishers. And music publishers ("record companies") have been screwing over artist long before the internet. To make a long story short, music publishers are no longer needed. The internet is capable of providing your creative works just as well as publishing companies. The difference between the internet and publishing companies is that the old method of albums and CDs costs more.
By using the internet, the cost of providing content to one person is pretty comparable to the cost of providing it to *everybody*. This completely destroys the publishers' business model and they won't go away without a fight.
"Anyway, I guess the fundamental question is whether used books (or CD, file-sharing) is hurting the market for new book or CD (legal iTunes and other downloads) sales as authors and musicians believe?"
The point was made during the Napster trial. During the few years that music sharing was supposedly putting the music publishers into the poorhouse, their profits climbed 20 per cent.
"Save textbooks, I think used book sales comes at an expense of new books in print
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Ah, perhaps writer and musicians are selfish for wanting to get paid for talent, years of hard work and intensive labor. I wish the was a middle ground, perhaps it's merely being sensitive to author and musicians desire to make a living"
Middle ground indeed. Imagine what would happen to our society if we suddenly felt guilt when we went to the library? Or worse, the publishing companies sue libraries for royalties!
I think the middle ground will soon be here. When you figure that the lion's share of the profit (not cost) of music sales goes to the publishers and that there are much more efficient methods of accomplishing the same job, I don't think publishing companies are going to be able to extort the public for much longer.
Lawrence Lessig writes extensively on the topic in his book Free Culture. The full book is available (for free) online:
http://www.free-culture.cc/freecontent/
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arzajac
73 posts
Oct 28, 2009
4:47 PM
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"I wonder if it is possible ot create a program to allow file sharing for these readers."
It's called DRM and it uses encryption to lock you out of the content you buy. DRM and similar strategies are why we are paying to buy newer, faster computers that don't run any faster than our old computers. It's because your operating system has more code to run to decrypt and encrypt the content so that you can't do what you please with it.
The established industry is making you pay the price for the tools they need to stay in business.
Here's a video of Lawrence Lessig talking about Free Culture. It's about 30 minutes long. He gets into E-Book readers just after the 9 minute mark
Apple uses DRM extensively. If you own an iPod or buy something on iTunes, you are using DRM. I can't even browse iTunes because I don't run an operating system that supports DRM - they have no way of limiting my access to the content so I can't get any of it.
Last Edited by on Oct 28, 2009 4:51 PM
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kudzurunner
751 posts
Oct 28, 2009
7:27 PM
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I buy 90% of the books that I buy from Amazon's used booksellers. Some of them are megaliths, I understand, but many of them are not. I don't just pick the low price; I look for price, location, and satisfaction rating. I've bought hundreds of used books that way. One way of looking at it: all the used booksellers that were being driven out of business by the big chains now have renewed purchase on the market, if they're able to price competitively.
Sure, I wish that everybody would buy new. But heck: Amazon is offering an incredible discount on my NEW book--the new edition of MISTER SATAN, I mean. So the royalties will happen.
I made decent money on the original advance, but the original version didn't quite earn back the advance. All the rest is gravy. Yes, I'm very glad to have given Nat and Mr. Satan life through my words and perhaps exposed them, their wisdom, and their amazing musicianship to future generations.
I'm happy for every reader. Trading books is inconvenient, but cheaper. Some people are willing to pay for convenience, and for the right to own a copy.
I was lecturing here at Ole Miss on Honeyboy Edwards' biography, THE WORLD DON'T OWE ME NOTHING, yesterday morning and there was Honeyboy's signature on the title page. I got it at the Ponconos Blues Festival back in 1999, as I recall. I saw him in Mississippi this past summer: Leland. Amazing. He's 94 years old. They all go--we all go--sooner or later. To paraphrase a wise man, Nobody on his death bed ever said, "Geez, I wish I'd paid full price for all my books." It's no sin to look for discounts.
Last Edited by on Oct 28, 2009 7:28 PM
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Andrew
699 posts
Oct 28, 2009
11:45 PM
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Book shops are rip-offs: you're paying for the owner's realty (real estate) investment, and if you live in the city, it's less cost-effective than the warehouses in the countryside that Amazon uses (or the little countryside used bookshops).
Amazon is a bizarre place. I've had a computer for 2 1/2 years, but I only discovered Amazon about 4 months ago, and since then I've made an average of one purchase per day!
That's bad news because I've managed to reduce my book collection from 1,500 to 750 over the last 5 years and I don't want it to grow again.
Only one piece of dissatisfaction with Amazon so far, but they gave me a refund although I didn't really want one, and the book was usable (a 1909 text instead of the 1993 one advertised), so I kept it. Being British, I use amazon.co.uk, and often you'll see new books for £10, whereas three or four American sellers will have a second-hand one for £35. Chancers! So there's a technique to finding and buying stuff. You can get books for a penny, but the postage is a rip-off, so you have to buy books that cheap when you know you can't get them at the charity shop down the road for half the cost of the postage.
My best value-for-money purchase so far has been a DVD of Roger Corman's Little Shop of Horrors for 1 penny.
And last night I even bought a couple of Fruit of the Loom T-shirts, couple of dollars each!
Last Edited by on Oct 28, 2009 11:58 PM
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arzajac
74 posts
Oct 29, 2009
3:12 AM
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I know about Apples's mp3s. But I still can't access them. In order to even look at what's available on iTunes, I one needs to install the iTunes client software. And there is no iTunes software for Linux since there is no effective way to lock the user out - which is why I run it in the first place.
Apple made a big move a few years back, trying to get the major music publishers to let go of DRM. It was a brilliant move for Apple marketing-wise, but I don't think they are anywhere close to allowing their customers to be DRM-free. They would have to significantly change their business model for that, and I think they will wait until the very last minute (the moment they think they can make more money the new way, or rather, the moment the old model is less effective) before doing that.
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Elwood
185 posts
Oct 29, 2009
4:22 AM
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To schaef6o and Hobostubs Ashlock:
As the first person to respond to this issue -- and only seeing the rest of the posts now -- I apologise for laying down the guilt. That wasn't my intention at all. It's not that I think you're cheap, or that I think everyone should pay full price, or that it's a sin to be broke. Indeed I'm a veteran bargain hunter, sometimes because I like low prices, sometimes because low prices are all I can afford.
I had my qualms about the courtesy of arranging such an exchange on this forum, the author's forum... but the author doesn't seem bothered, so neither am I.
So once again, I apologise if I seemed to attack you.
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